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06/20/2018
I guess that's a little fuzzy too. Some folks went from hobbyists to just doing a lot more of their hobby, not making a living solely off that hobby. But there are those who are full time doing what was a sometimes hobby gig. If I was a proefessional at this I'm doing VERY BADLY. |
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06/20/2018
Wow. There are a LOT of "unpopular tiki opinions" bunched together in that article. One of the MAIN points of tiki is the nostalgia-component. Evolving/Changing? Making Tiki more PC? I am sorry...that is flat WRONG. [ Edited by: Hearn 2018-06-20 07:44 ] |
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AceExplorer
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06/20/2018
Unpopular tiki opinion: "We've lost control of tiki!" |
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06/20/2018
We have never had control of Tiki. Tiki controls us. |
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EnchantedTikiGoth
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06/21/2018
LoL, Donn Beach sounds like me. "Mmm, that Malibu and pineapple juice and macadamia nut liqueur tastes good together. What if I added vanilla syrup? Mmm, even better! Now what if I added orgeat? Mmm, better yet. Now what if I added passion fruit syrup..." |
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06/21/2018
Unpopular opinion: rum is the best liquor and there’s any point to drinking super expensive or rare rums. I see $100 rum shots at tiki bars! And exclusive clubs if you sample 100 rums. |
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MrBaliHai
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06/21/2018
Yes, Godwin's Law has definitely jumped the shark.
I've also met him. We spent several hours chatting about a range of topics at Tiki Boyds over cocktails, and I found his company to be quite entertaining. However, towards the end of the evening, I noticed that the shirt he was wearing, which I had assumed to be a standard Hawaiian aloha shirt due to the low-lighting in the bar, was actually covered with tiny swastikas. While that doesn't prove he's a Neo-nazi, it certainly points to his love of jerking people's chains. |
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06/21/2018
Pee-Wee's Playhouse began airing in the mid-80s, while Boyd starting performing as Non at least 10 years prior to that. I'm not sure exactly when he began playing Exotica over the house PA before his shows, but it's a safe bet that it predated Mr. Herman by at least a couple of years. My guess would be that he started back in the late 70s, when a lot of Southern California Punk in-crowders started hanging out at the Tiki-Ti and Kelbo's, where they were likely exposed to Exotica and (surprisingly) embraced it, probably because it was the antithesis of the music they were playing....so unhip, it was hip. |
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06/21/2018
Cool music box thingy cammo. Unpopular Tiki Opinion... This whole "ohoo I see you have a my little pony theme mixed in with your tiki room that kinda works" thing is goofy. Yeah you can do it it's your house, but it isn't tiki and you should be ok for people to say that here. A few newbies in the past have come to TC cried foul and even got other long time TC people kicked off who added to TC often. Then after they turn the place upside down the newbie is gone. The myth that TC is so mean is what they say brought it to this lower participation rate of today. Soon tiki maybe watered down to the point where Party city crap don't look so bad, that is if you add just the right amount of My little pony. PS I'm not against newbies. PSS the above is not flame, it's my and some others Opinion. And you asked for it. |
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Cammo
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06/21/2018
"Cool music box thingy cammo." Thanks bro! I thought nobody had noticed! Just saw a free (!) Herb Alpert - Lani Hall concert. It wasn't Tiki but it was great. |
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tikiskip
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06/22/2018
Would be cool to make one of those out of the AR-851 Packard Bell or the Gilligan's island radio. The fact that it's new age technology in an old skool wrapping is cool too. Had you been a person new to TC and posted a steaming pile of tiki art crap MANY people would have lined up and posted on how great your steaming pile of tiki art was and told you how happy your post made them. As it was you posted a cool thing so no praise was needed. [ Edited by: tikiskip 2018-06-21 18:24 ] |
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06/28/2018
I don't get why Tiki Tronic is so popular, aside from the name |
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tikiskip
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06/29/2018
I have never heard of Tiki Tronic. My dad used to call my music "just a bunch of noise" I think with some of what Tiki Tronic posted on Fakebook he would have been right with these guys. They seem like the type that would be in a certain local group started here in Ohio. We need a Star Wars tiki rap band that does covers of Snoop Dogs music, Now that would be TIKI! |
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06/29/2018
To me, tiki is an esthetic not a pastime. Like anything else, people drawn to it naturally bring their own individuality with them: Collectors collect It all happens in the tiki world, just like any other niche of the rest of the world. Sure, collectors collect, but not all tiki enthusiasts are collectors. I think those are all byproducts of humans enjoying a shared esthetic, but NOT the essence. And if different elements of the esthetic resonate with different people in different ways, that's not a big surprise either. But I still think there's a tangible esthetic at the core. At least that's my opinion. Sometimes it seems like an unpopular one because it doesn't match the tendency to boil things down to arbitrary simplifications (like "tiki is drunk white guys in aloha shirts buying up mugs"). Those are kinda fun, but usually off the mark. But since we're on this thread, here are some more oversimplifications, that are probably also off the mark. Some may echo opinions we've seen before, and some may resonate or irritate (mostly irritate?), but they're just for kicks. TIKI IS... ...about having fun -Randy |
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Cammo
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07/01/2018
"Tiki is drunk white guys in aloha shirts buying up mugs" You know, the problem with agreeing with what people say on this thread is that it automatically makes it NOT an Unpopular Tiki Opinion. |
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07/01/2018
Tiki show conventions have jumped the shark |
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tikiskip
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07/01/2018
"...artificial and whitewashed" That is the definition of what the good tiki is to me. "But since we're on this thread, here are some more oversimplifications" You left out "Look at me isms" The collectors want you to look at the tiki stuff they just found. In this look at me Fakebook world the new tiki world fits right in. Look what I can do! |
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tikitube
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07/01/2018
So ultimately, tiki is still all about escapism and there are still those who want to sell it to you. |
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aquarj
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07/01/2018
Keep on selling them and I'll keep buying! But as target markets go, there are probably more lucrative genres out there than tiki books. -Randy |
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Swanky
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07/03/2018
Unpopular Tiki Opinion: Your attitude about TC or "Tiki Elites" or California Tiki People or whatever, is just your projecting and cherry picking and internal interpretation to suit your mindset and has little to do with reality. You see what you want to see. Also, all collectors/collecting/hobbies are making book sellers rich. Not authors, but publishers and sellers... **FACT:**The Mai-Kai has made more money selling my book in the gift shop than I have made from writing it. But at least they give me free drinks when I'm there, so... |
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tikiskip
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07/04/2018
Well I have posted controversial things before but did not think this post to be one. “Your attitude about TC or "Tiki Elites" or California Tiki People or whatever” I did not say anything about those people in that post, those terms where terms Look at most of the publicity done on tiki and it really helps to be a native of California as most of the articles are on California people. By the way I buy most of those books about tiki and put that Last quip about “I think tiki was made up by Book Publishers just to sell us books” as a joke. But look at the Most views on TC, not posts, VIEWS. The other top views is the people making tiki look at what I just made and maybe buy it damn I fall into that one or at least used to. The threads about history or past tiki bars fall WAY short of the views of the look at me threads have on TC. Lots of other people who I have talked to have some of the same opinions that I do it’s just hard to say them out loud it’s difficult to be a maker of tiki or have a super cool bar that gets no publicity past TC. Who said anything about making money off tiki. I said selling your stuff, and have said many times before not many people make money off of tiki, I just try to offset the money I have put into tiki by selling lights and it is a hobby I like doing. The smart people that do make money off of tiki almost never post on TC and this is a smart thing to do as posting your thoughts can piss people off. I think the look at me part of tiki is what has kept it going this long and don’t see it all as a bad thing, well the drunk underwear guy was, but if you have a vested interest in the tiki community and play a part in it you will stay with it a lot longer. [ Edited by: tikiskip 2018-07-04 07:38 ] |
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LostIsland
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07/04/2018
“I think tiki was made up by Book Publishers just to sell us books” This had me dying... Reminded me of when Kerouac said the Vietnam war was a scam to get Jeeps in the country. Classic |
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tikiskip
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07/04/2018
I'm glad you got it. It's like the Hallmark cards invented Valentines day thing. |
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LostIsland
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07/05/2018
Me too, probably why most think I'm a wisea$$. Unless of course they are as irreverent as I am, in which case they tend to jump into the fray with me. Folks often seem too serious and sensitive, life's just too short... |
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GROG
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07/06/2018
Hey!! Life is NOT too short you irreverent S.O.B.!!!! |
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GROG
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07/06/2018
P.S. :D |
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Prikli Pear
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07/06/2018
A drive-by Grogging! |
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tikiskip
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07/06/2018
Summer is too short. |
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Cammo
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07/09/2018
Two sharp shorts sure are too short for sharks. |
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Cammo
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07/18/2018
You know, I think Boyd Rice got obsessed with Exotica/Tiki through his favorite group, Throbbing Gristle. As did many others. Throbbing Gristle's Greatest Hits, 1981: |
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Cammo
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08/21/2018
Yacht Rock just killed Tiki Music. It's retro. Image Missing: https://tikicentral.com/resize.php/uploads/4775/5b7b65e9.jpg?w=1280&h=1280&fit=max&sharp=5&s=d664c6ab0499988a003930bfa4895855 At Tiki Oasis I actually heard people saying that they thought Tiki Music WAS Yacht Rock. They thought Exotica was just filler until the DJs got back to playing the Yacht Rock songs everybody loves. Some girls were actually yelling "YACHT ROCK" at the pool, like they thought that's what the whole party was about. It's all over, brah. |
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AceExplorer
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08/21/2018
Nah, too many of us have learned the difference between YR and “tiki music” for it to be over. But there will apparently be a new sub-genre within poly pop or whatever the whole conglomeration is called. I’m not going out of my way for YR like I will for classic exotica and for the new exotica. This reminds me of “Jimmy Buffett Tiki” which is also a sub genre - if you’re willing to grant it that sort of footing. |
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08/21/2018
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Cammo
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08/21/2018
You folks know the difference, I know the difference, the people reading this right now know the difference, but EVERYBODY ELSE DOESN'T. Sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but Yacht Rock just mowed down Exotica as we know it. It's a horribly sad and senseless waste of a decent, innocent human life. This is the future: …and of course it's the exceptions that prove the rule: "Chicks dig it. "But there will apparently be a new sub-genre within poly pop or whatever the whole conglomeration is called." |
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tikiskip
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08/21/2018
"This is the future:" The girl can stay. |
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AceExplorer
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08/21/2018
I agree everyone else doesn't know the difference. But what did I mean by the sub-genre comment? Hot rods aren't tiki and they're "in." Monsters aren't tiki, and they too are "in." Surf music isn't tiki, but many adopted it and it's "in." Yacht rock isn't tiki and I suspect it could also become "in." What we're seeing is human nature. I would not call exotica all "mowed down" and "over." Yacht rock was once popular, then it died out, and it's coming back as a fad, so it may die a second death. It's hilarious to me... But traditional "tiki" music (if you can call anything really traditional in poly pop, ha) will always remain historically connected to mid-century tiki and poly pop. I really think of yacht rock as a fad, without longevity, and it will fade out in favor of something else. I don't see it packing out stadiums like Jimmy Buffett does. |
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tikitube
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08/22/2018
Yacht rock, eh? I had to Google that. Sounds like late 70s and early 80s fromage to me. Which has it's place, but not in my tiki room. |
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Bam Bam
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08/22/2018
Seriously, although I adore Steely Dan, it is unequivocally not Tiki. I think Mr. Fagen would agree. |
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Cammo
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08/22/2018
That Yacht Rock isn’t Tiki is my point. |
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HopeChest
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08/23/2018
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AceExplorer
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08/23/2018
No, not by my definition. But as a "fad" I'm not referring to the absolute and technical history of the term or the genre itself, I'm talking about the current (recent) popularity of the soft rock genre. I think my point then is that exotica fans, who know and appreciate it for what it is, are committed to the genre in a different way than yacht rock fans are to their genre. Maybe I'm wrong. But I still have the same interest in exotica that I had 10-12 years ago. But as tikiphiles, we've got more "connection" to exotica, it's much deeper for us, it's not just a landing pad until the next form of "in" party music comes around. The more I write about this the less I think I know and understand. I'm not dissing yacht rock, but am definitely surprised that people are going back to it in party environments. Did something on the musical landscape implode and leave a gap which could only be filled by soft rock? I don't know. It's interesting. |
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MrBaliHai
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08/23/2018
If I ever hear Toto played at a Tiki event, I'm washing my hands of the entire scene...and no Weezer covers of Toto songs either! |
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Cammo
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08/23/2018
Honestly, I dont think Yacht Rockers even KNOW what groups they’re listening to. It’s just something they do in the summer so they can pull out their patterned Bermuda shorts and get drunk on cheap rum. |
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Cammo
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08/23/2018
I'm just going to assume that this history is going to be unpopular, and I'm going to fill it out as I can chronologically. ...and I'm going to start with 1950's TV shows because they were so important in the early memories of the Tiki Crowd, almost certainly jump-starting the whole thing. Recent Tiki History 1959 Adventures in Paradise TV show premiers. 1959 Hawaiian Eye TV show premiers. 1964 Gilligan’s Island TV show premiers. 1966 Boyd Rice wears a cheap Robert Hall Hawaiian Shirt and the Tiki Necklace sold with it to elementary school. His favorite TV show at this time is Hawaiian Eye, already in reruns. He is part of a huge group of imaginative, often West Coast baby boomers who were more interested in Tikis and Hawaii than the Hippie Beatle Drug shenanigans just starting to explode nationally. MORE TO COME |
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MrFab
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08/23/2018
I'm a veteran LA punk New Waver (or is that New Wave punker?) and I recall local college stations and hipster friends getting into exotica by around '87. i don't recall Boyd Rice (or Throbbing Gristle) as being any kind of motivating factor behind it at the time as much as nostalgia was - apart from reruns of old movies/shows that we'd grown up watching, we also remember our parents/older relatives taking us to Polynesian-style restaurants, having backyard luaus (mom in her mumu, dad in his aloha shirt, Don Ho on the stereo, etc) and were just continuing the LA suburban lifestyle, albeit with a more post-modern self-consciousness. But I'll ask my fellow punk-rock geezers about Boyd Rice. Maybe he got the ball rolling in ways I didn't notice at the time? |
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tikiskip
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08/23/2018
I do like exotica. And Yuma Sumac, oh damn one song is enough for me on that girl. Martin Denny is good for a rainy day at home by yourself sipping rum. Friday night, yer getting Thin Lizzy or Dick Dale like it or not. As far as Yacht Rockers go it's a bit better than this damn rap that has taken over every TV show, commercial sound track, sports lead in, sports lead out, Movie sound tracks, News show, ect... Music used to shift and change after a few years it's long over due for a shift away from rap. |
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Jeff Central
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08/23/2018
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MrFab
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08/23/2018
Yeah, I think the back of that Throbbing Gristle album actually reads "Dedicated to Martin Denny." Wonder if Denny knew that, and what he thought of it! Did TG make any actual exotica-inspired music? |