That's just wrong! The un-Tiki thread: - General Tiki

B bigbrotiki Tiki Socialite Tiki Island, above the Silverlake Joined: Mar 25, 2002 Posts: 11621	B bigbrotiki Posted posted on Wed, Aug 9, 2006 11:46 AM Well you drew me out again...because I have something to say about each of these previous THREE POSTS: 1.) Aaron's Akua: It is not that the Japanese Tiki Tiki Restaurants are UnTiki, it is the GARISH PAINTJOB that was wrongly applied to their Tikis later. The Tiki Tikis were outfitted by Oceanic Arts, which basically is a seal of quality...BUT relatively late in the game, around 1980 I think. This is when the whole misguided policy of painting usually dark brown primitive art in folkish "Fiesta Style" colors started. Clownish paint has been pointed out here before as a definite sign of TIKI DEVOLUTION. Even Oceanic Arts has been affected by it, and still does it if customers ask for it (see "Night of the Tiki"). And the "party" advertising of these places seems to stem from economic necessity. Not an excuse, just a fact. 2.) Zulu Magoo, nice try: Using badly done VINTAGE Tikis to raise the question "Why would they be different from badly done Tikis of today?" They are not, really, maybe that's why I didn't use any of these in my book, which, because of my pre-selection, reflects a "perfect" Tiki world that did not exist even back then. (Exclude number 3, the Mortlock mask, which to me always was a fine example of primitive/modern art) 3.) Tiki Phil: Please review the "Evolution of Polynesian Pop" chart in the Book of Tiki. It clearly divides the founding period of Don The Beachcomber and Trader Vic's into NON-Tiki until the mid-century, out of which emerged the TIKI PERIOD, with Steven Crane building on both, and being among the first to widely use the Tiki image in his logo and decor. Then, in the Tiki period, the Poly Pop founders (Don a little, and Vic a lot) began to use Tikis more (see Trader Vic menu evolution in the BOT). Your question seem to come from a purely mug-centric approach, and I am happy to point to numerous discussions here on TC where I voiced my opinion that any mug that does not actually depict a Tiki should not be called a Tiki mug- but they are, so hey. But just because Don and Vic used non-Tiki mugs does not mean they are not an important part of TIKI, and their mugs are not part of Tiki style. It's difficult, I know. [ Edited by: bigbrotiki 2006-08-09 12:36 ]

Well you drew me out again...because I have something to say about each of these previous THREE POSTS:

1.) Aaron's Akua: It is not that the Japanese Tiki Tiki Restaurants are UnTiki, it is the GARISH PAINTJOB that was wrongly applied to their Tikis later. The Tiki Tikis were outfitted by Oceanic Arts, which basically is a seal of quality...BUT relatively late in the game, around 1980 I think. This is when the whole misguided policy of painting usually dark brown primitive art in folkish "Fiesta Style" colors started.

Clownish paint has been pointed out here before as a definite sign of TIKI DEVOLUTION. Even Oceanic Arts has been affected by it, and still does it if customers ask for it (see "Night of the Tiki").
And the "party" advertising of these places seems to stem from economic necessity. Not an excuse, just a fact.

2.) Zulu Magoo, nice try: Using badly done VINTAGE Tikis to raise the question "Why would they be different from badly done Tikis of today?" They are not, really, maybe that's why I didn't use any of these in my book, which, because of my pre-selection, reflects a "perfect" Tiki world that did not exist even back then.
(Exclude number 3, the Mortlock mask, which to me always was a fine example of primitive/modern art)

3.) Tiki Phil: Please review the "Evolution of Polynesian Pop" chart in the Book of Tiki. It clearly divides the founding period of Don The Beachcomber and Trader Vic's into NON-Tiki until the mid-century, out of which emerged the TIKI PERIOD, with Steven Crane building on both, and being among the first to widely use the Tiki image in his logo and decor.
Then, in the Tiki period, the Poly Pop founders (Don a little, and Vic a lot) began to use Tikis more (see Trader Vic menu evolution in the BOT).

Your question seem to come from a purely mug-centric approach, and I am happy to point to numerous discussions here on TC where I voiced my opinion that any mug that does not actually depict a Tiki should not be called a Tiki mug- but they are, so hey.
But just because Don and Vic used non-Tiki mugs does not mean they are not an important part of TIKI, and their mugs are not part of Tiki style.

It's difficult, I know.

[ Edited by: bigbrotiki 2006-08-09 12:36 ]

Post #247833 by bigbrotiki on Wed, Aug 9, 2006 11:46 AM