r.i.p. michael jackson - Beyond Tiki

K kingstiedye Tiki Socialite sackatomato Joined: Oct 05, 2005 Posts: 1399	K kingstiedye Posted posted on Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:47 PM On 2009-06-30 07:55, lucas vigor wrote: And I too, disagree. The two dominant forms of pop music in the last twenty years were hip hop and new wave (and with new wave I count basically everything from synth pop to grunge to alt rock). Hip hop had a lot of influences that were not really Michael Jackson. People tend to forget that there were great RB bands before him, and after. Barkays, slave, cameo, P-funk, Sly and the family stone, I could go on and on...where as New wave and all it's descendents were directly influenced by a handful of acts, many of which were influenced by Bowie (Lou Reed, velvet underground, MC5, etc..) When you hear the latest emo band, you can totally hear Bowie's influence. When I hear current hip hop, I don't hear any of Michael Jackson's influence. Anyway, am I touching a nerve with you tiki people? I had better drop it now. lucas, you're not touching a nerve with me. i enjoy a spirited discussion with intelligent peopo, whether i agree or not. all those r&b and hiphop acts owe a debt to james brown. of course every artist is influenced by someone before them. that's why they become musicians, because they love music. mj was the first african american on mtv, when mtv actually meant something. he helped break down barriers for all african american artists. On 2009-06-30 08:21, RevBambooBen wrote: who's richer. MJ or Bowie? you funny my friend! kanye west is probably richer than thom yorke, but his influence is minimal. On 2009-06-30 07:55, lucas vigor wrote: Yeah, I forgot about metal. But grunge and Punk? Definately Bowie influenced, to some extent. i just don't hear bowie's influence there. the stooges, mc5, even led zeppelin, yes. but not bowie. On 2009-06-30 09:24, lucas vigor wrote: This man will go down in history, or should I say "HIStory" and the inventor of the moonwalk. Wow. now you're just trying to touch a nerve! :) this quote makes me wonder how old you are. On 2009-06-30 11:56, The Gnomon wrote: Just because I recognize MJ as one of the best entertainers of all time, doesn't mean at all that he was my favorite. I'm just giving his his props. No question ablout his talent. It was all exploited by the enterprises that ran him and molded him into the luminary we all came to know. amen to dat! as much as i loved mj, i prefer the stones, the who, led zeppelin, u2 or radiohead.

On 2009-06-30 07:55, lucas vigor wrote:
And I too, disagree. The two dominant forms of pop music in the last twenty years were hip hop and new wave (and with new wave I count basically everything from synth pop to grunge to alt rock). Hip hop had a lot of influences that were not really Michael Jackson. People tend to forget that there were great RB bands before him, and after. Barkays, slave, cameo, P-funk, Sly and the family stone, I could go on and on...where as New wave and all it's descendents were directly influenced by a handful of acts, many of which were influenced by Bowie (Lou Reed, velvet underground, MC5, etc..) When you hear the latest emo band, you can totally hear Bowie's influence.

When I hear current hip hop, I don't hear any of Michael Jackson's influence.

Anyway, am I touching a nerve with you tiki people? I had better drop it now.

lucas, you're not touching a nerve with me. i enjoy a spirited discussion with intelligent peopo, whether i agree or not. all those r&b and hiphop acts owe a debt to james brown. of course every artist is influenced by someone before them. that's why they become musicians, because they love music. mj was the first african american on mtv, when mtv actually meant something. he helped break down barriers for all african american artists.

On 2009-06-30 08:21, RevBambooBen wrote:
who's richer. MJ or Bowie?

you funny my friend! kanye west is probably richer than thom yorke, but his influence is minimal.

On 2009-06-30 07:55, lucas vigor wrote:

Yeah, I forgot about metal. But grunge and Punk? Definately Bowie influenced, to some extent.

i just don't hear bowie's influence there. the stooges, mc5, even led zeppelin, yes. but not bowie.

On 2009-06-30 09:24, lucas vigor wrote:
This man will go down in history, or should I say "HIStory" and the inventor of the moonwalk. Wow.

now you're just trying to touch a nerve! :) this quote makes me wonder how old you are.

On 2009-06-30 11:56, The Gnomon wrote:
Just because I recognize MJ as one of the best entertainers of all time, doesn't mean at all that he was my favorite. I'm just giving his his props. No question ablout his talent. It was all exploited by the enterprises that ran him and molded him into the luminary we all came to know.

amen to dat! as much as i loved mj, i prefer the stones, the who, led zeppelin, u2 or radiohead.

Post #465819 by kingstiedye on Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:47 PM