A Disappointing Visit to Mai-Kai - Tiki Drinks and Food

K KuKuAhu Member Kahiki, Ohio Joined: Dec 23, 2002 Posts: 567	K KuKuAhu Posted posted on Thu, Mar 11, 2010 6:21 PM On 2010-03-11 16:50, bigbrotiki wrote: Whoaaa, if it ain't Mr, "I've had a Coco Joe's collection since I was 5". Boy-o-boy, some folks are obviously just waitin' here in the wings, seething at every contribution to Tiki that I make, hoping I make a mistake! Pathetic. Ha ha ha! Sven, don't flatter yourself. I am not seething, in fact, I am doing just fine, thank you. But is your ego now so beyond huge that you think we care enough to wait for you to make a mistake? Yes, pathetic was a good choice of words. But not for me. Your claim that you resurrected the word "mixology" is a boastful and idiotic comment. And it is so untrue it isn't even funny. On 2010-03-11 07:07, KuKuAhu wrote: On 2010-03-11 00:51, bigbrotiki wrote: ..leading a new generation of mixologists (please note: another term that had gone extinct before published in the Book of Tiki :) ) Beachbum Berry's Grog Log 1998 Page two: "mixologist" Unless I am mistaken, that is two years before the BOT was published. So let's not start stealing the credit for the tiki drink revival, or the revival of mixology. Clearly that honor belongs to Jeff without exception. Pretentious indeed. Ahu I was in no way trying to "steal the credit for the Tiki drink revival." I was merely pointing out that the TERM "mixology" just like the term "Tiki", had practically become extinct (as in "was unknown in common use") before it for the first time appeared in book form, for an INTERNATIONAL MASS MARKET, in the Book of Tiki in the year 2000. In a chapter headlined MIXOLOGY AND CONCOCTIONS, written by no other than (!) my good friend JEFF BERRY, whaddaya know! So on the one hand, you would tell us that you personally brought the word back to life. Then you credit Jeff, but it is a backhanded compliment.. pointing out that your book is somehow more important than his due to the "INTERNATIONAL MARKET". And again... you needn't bolster this argument by dragging out tiki as being extinct too. We all know you personally invented tiki.. in spite of it existing without you a few miles from my home since the day I was born. I forgot that you were there when they put the roof on the Kahiki. Laugh. Yes, it was first used in writing in the hand printed and self-bound version Jeff published of the Grog Log. Which was available to Tiki News subscribers and very much appreciated among the small group of Tiki aficionados in California and some other states at the time. And then, from the Grog Log's spiral bound version on, Jeff's booklets have steadily increased his work's distribution and thus the awareness of the art of mixology. Which I gladly and eagerly point out here at every opportunity as the foundation of the Polynesian cocktail revival Thanks for the history lesson. That was my point to begin with. Jeff is the one who deserves the credit. (for which posts, strangely enough, I am never criticized as making "constant reminders"?) Could that perhaps be a hint? You know why I can say this? Because I was there with Jeff from the early 90s on. I was part of Tiki News, and part of the group of friends and early Tiki archeologists consisting of Jeff Berry, Bosko, Kevin Kidney, Otto, Josh Agle and a couple of others. This is not a boast. It's just how it was. Name dropping.. resume of tikiness... left coast as only relevant location for tiki authority... Yeah, that's pretty much what I expected you'd say. Funny.. none of those guys you mention seem to constantly remind everyone of their contributions. And where were you? And what have you done since? Calling ME pretentious? Jeez. Oh, I keep busy. But I don't intend to brag about it. Or make money from it. In fact, quite the opposite. But you don't know... would never understand.. and wouldn't care. And that alone tells me that I must be doing something right. So I'll just keep my list of accomplishments to myself, thanks. Unlike you, I do not need my ego stroked to keep it inflated. Good luck with that though.. seems to be working out well. [ Edited by: KuKuAhu 2010-03-11 18:21 ] [ Edited by: KuKuAhu 2010-03-11 18:23 ]

On 2010-03-11 16:50, bigbrotiki wrote:
Whoaaa, if it ain't Mr, "I've had a Coco Joe's collection since I was 5". Boy-o-boy, some folks are obviously just waitin' here in the wings, seething at every contribution to Tiki that I make, hoping I make a mistake! Pathetic.

Ha ha ha! Sven, don't flatter yourself. I am not seething, in fact, I am doing just fine, thank you. But is your ego now so beyond huge that you think we care enough to wait for you to make a mistake?

Yes, pathetic was a good choice of words. But not for me.

Your claim that you resurrected the word "mixology" is a boastful and idiotic comment. And it is so untrue it isn't even funny.

On 2010-03-11 07:07, KuKuAhu wrote:

On 2010-03-11 00:51, bigbrotiki wrote:
..leading a new generation of mixologists (please note: another term that had gone extinct before published in the Book of Tiki :) )

Beachbum Berry's Grog Log 1998
Page two: "mixologist"
Unless I am mistaken, that is two years before the BOT was published.
So let's not start stealing the credit for the tiki drink revival, or the revival of mixology. Clearly that honor belongs to Jeff without exception.
Pretentious indeed.
Ahu

I was in no way trying to "steal the credit for the Tiki drink revival." I was merely pointing out that the TERM "mixology" just like the term "Tiki", had practically become extinct (as in "was unknown in common use") before it for the first time appeared in book form, for an INTERNATIONAL MASS MARKET, in the Book of Tiki in the year 2000. In a chapter headlined MIXOLOGY AND CONCOCTIONS, written by no other than (!) my good friend JEFF BERRY, whaddaya know!

So on the one hand, you would tell us that you personally brought the word back to life. Then you credit Jeff, but it is a backhanded compliment.. pointing out that your book is somehow more important than his due to the "INTERNATIONAL MARKET".

And again... you needn't bolster this argument by dragging out tiki as being extinct too. We all know you personally invented tiki.. in spite of it existing without you a few miles from my home since the day I was born. I forgot that you were there when they put the roof on the Kahiki.

Laugh.

Yes, it was first used in writing in the hand printed and self-bound version Jeff published of the Grog Log. Which was available to Tiki News subscribers and very much appreciated among the small group of Tiki aficionados in California and some other states at the time. And then, from the Grog Log's spiral bound version on, Jeff's booklets have steadily increased his work's distribution and thus the awareness of the art of mixology. Which I gladly and eagerly point out here at every opportunity as the foundation of the Polynesian cocktail revival

Thanks for the history lesson. That was my point to begin with. Jeff is the one who deserves the credit.

(for which posts, strangely enough, I am never criticized as making "constant reminders"?)

Could that perhaps be a hint?

You know why I can say this? Because I was there with Jeff from the early 90s on. I was part of Tiki News, and part of the group of friends and early Tiki archeologists consisting of Jeff Berry, Bosko, Kevin Kidney, Otto, Josh Agle and a couple of others. This is not a boast. It's just how it was.

Name dropping.. resume of tikiness... left coast as only relevant location for tiki authority...

Yeah, that's pretty much what I expected you'd say. Funny.. none of those guys you mention seem to constantly remind everyone of their contributions.

And where were you? And what have you done since? Calling ME pretentious? Jeez.

Oh, I keep busy. But I don't intend to brag about it. Or make money from it. In fact, quite the opposite.

But you don't know... would never understand.. and wouldn't care. And that alone tells me that I must be doing something right. So I'll just keep my list of accomplishments to myself, thanks. Unlike you, I do not need my ego stroked to keep it inflated.

Good luck with that though.. seems to be working out well.

[ Edited by: KuKuAhu 2010-03-11 18:21 ]

[ Edited by: KuKuAhu 2010-03-11 18:23 ]

Post #516677 by KuKuAhu on Thu, Mar 11, 2010 6:21 PM