Post #536352 by molo on Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:24 AM

Hey Donna, I'll give you an easy out to this tit for tat impasse we seem to have reached. In the name of Tiki spirit, I'll take a dose of my own high road medicine first. As it is, we're beginning to trade snipes and little more. All we're giving the gallery is a few cheap laughs, basically at our own expense. That's not why I came here; I doubt it's why you did either. I took a touch of offense at your "schooling' entendre, but in turn you could counter by saying I took "artistic license" in quasi patronizing you like one auntie. Perhaps neither was meant the way the other is taking it, or ultimately interpreted it. Like the old saying goes: wars are easy to start but difficult to stop once initiated. And yet here we are, having taken to the trenches.

So, let's either constructively engage, or simply agree to disagree. You keep scoffing at my recollections like they're meaningless. Why? What's the point in joining such a discourse forum, if not to reminisce and trade what we know (or think we know)? Or do you feel it should just be a matter of the published or net based references you can scrounge up and cite versus the ones I can, with no personal viewpoints or first hand accounts allowed? That's the part I don't get, as I can't imagine anything that would be drier or duller than if such things spun around that exclusionary basis alone.

Also, I asked you to cite where you found or determined a number of things you were claiming, to counter my own imperfect recollections (which btw are not based solely on memory, but on everything I have come to know or gather to date on the subject, though I'm anything but an expert). Somehow you seem to have missed that part, or chose to cherry pick past it. So if what you're presenting isn't based on any of your own personal recollection(s), perhaps you can enlighten me/us with some of your sources.

I'd also look forward to your responses to the questions (and that oddity) I posed to you earlier in my "factless rant" but you have yet to answer:

Molo: *My recollection was that it was the Ventures backing the commercials since the sound seemed more guitar oriented than that of the CBS orchestra version, but if you have a definitive source to cite, let me see it. *

Molo: *Now here's another odd thing -- I don't recall it moving up to 10pm back then (on Oahu anyway), more like 9pm. * [=> fact or fiction?]

Molo: So kindly point me to this network demo analysis you keep making reference of, especially as it applied back then and to the show (or wherever you're getting this).

Molo: *It only stands to reason having a Top Ten radio hit of a new show's musical theme coming out concurrently as it looks to win over new viewers would be considered a godsend in the entertainment world, then AND now. Now ask yourself, how often does this typically (or ever) happen? *

Molo: You do realize I was picking up where others left off on this "theme" in this thread, right?

If you simply want to pretend you possess some form of divine knowledge on these things, by not answering anything directly but implying you somehow know better, so be it. You won't have proven anything to anyone, and certainly not to me. If you come back only to nip at my heels, I'm going to ignore you from this point on ("all pau" Hawaiian style), so think well before firing away. I can hold my own at debate, but reminiscing is my first love. If you want to prove me or my memory wrong with any of the above, here's your opportunity, complete with olive branch. You'll be doing me a favor in doing so, as a factualized mind beats a fuzzy one any day.

PS. I'm curious if you live on the Islands, or lived there during the sixties? And no, it doesn't make or break a thing whether you did or not, as most of what we're discussing applies to every part of the country just about equally (Hawaii simply being ground zero). Likewise maybe you have some personal connection to the Stevens or Freeman family but aren't anteing up, or can lay claim to some insider knowledge .. who knows? I'll welcome it if you do.

**BTW Everything stated here applies to anyone else who happens to read this and might care to respond, or offer up something new or by way of clarification. I came here to engage and exchange, not troll or nitpick. **