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Z Zeta Member Atlantis/Basque Country/Spain/Mexico Joined: Feb 13, 2007 Posts: 2105	Z Zeta Posted posted on Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:47 AM woofmutt: A continent named after a guy who made the map of it. We didn't have any say in that. 07:44:38 Zeta: Are you on crack? I guess people from the USA are called North Americans... but that's wrong too. That's exactly my point. You don't even bother to come up witha particular name for your country. You just appropriate the continents name. 07:42:46 woofmutt: Wait, American style bacon does not mean Canadian bacon??? MY HEAD HURTS! 07:40:05 woofmutt: Zeta, how popular is apple pie in the the United Mexican States? 07:34:51 woofmutt: Also I now turn to our Canadian readers: If I were to call you an "American" would you correct me in any way or would you feel that was an accurate descriptor for who you are? Keep in mind, I did not refer to you as a North American but simply as an American. 07:33:26 woofmutt: X Wrong and X wrong. American music isn't marketed as American music, it's used as a term to designate music from the United States. Music from these great continents is called "music of this Americas." Americans are not designated by what state we come from, we are lumped together as a whole. So there must be an accurate term for that whole which includes the entire name of our country or at least the most significant aspect of that name (such as those form The United Mexican States being simply called "Mexicans.") 07:29:57 Zeta: woofmutt: I also need an answer to the correct worldwide term for "American music" and "American football." No answer, that's just how the U.S.A. markets itself. not my problem. Mariachi band IS as American as the Ramones 07:26:03 Zeta: I know, I thought about that before... I guess you are from your state. Californian, Bostonian, Texan... I am as American as you are or as Taboo dan or as Clarita from Argentina. Deal with it. America=continent U.S.A. = country 07:24:20 woofmutt: I also need an answer to the correct worldwide term for "American music" and "American football." 07:23:18 woofmutt: And what am I, by the way? A United Statian? That seems inaccurate as it doesn't include America. Am I am United States of American? Why does it have to be so long? USAian is just weird and a little unfair because why should my country get reduced to just initials? 07:21:51 Zeta: Zeta 1 woofmutt 0 07:21:25 woofmutt: Never. I only speak for myself or those who have retained me to speak for them. In this case the United States has not retained me, thank God. I couldn't possibly express why so many United Statians (?) do or think what they do. 07:18:38 Zeta: But you ARE talking in the name of America. 07:14:54 Zeta: I never said I spoke for all of the world, I told you, don't believe me? Ask around. but you didn't quote me on that. 07:12:12 Zeta: "Yes, that's what pert near everyone who says "America" means. It's kinda a worldwide thing." You started the worldwide spoke man thing. U.S. is fine, but U.S.A. is the name. 07:09:26 woofmutt: "Not true. no matter if everyone in the radio you listen to say so. In the rest of the world (except the UK) we call it U.S.A." I didn't realize you spoke for all of the world except for the UK and the US. (Wait, can I call it it the US? Because it's short for United States and we're not the only United States.) I think that if you went to most places in the world and asked a person a question about America or Americans that very few people would be confused as to whether you were talking about Mexicans, Chileans, or Canadians. However, I am curious: In the rest of world (other than the UK) what do you call American music, American movies, American football, American literature, et cetera? (Note: "Boring and dumb" though frequently true of American music, movies, and football, does not count as an answer.) 07:04:15 MadDogMike: Cynical or realistic? The ideals that made this ciuntry (USA) great are dying off with our parents; "work hard & save"."do unto others as you would have them do unto you","eat your dinner or you don't get any dessert" have been replaced with instant gratification, entitlement, and pseudo-activism. While I don't buy into the conspiracy theories, I do believe this will continue because cheap oil is a top priority for us. 06:44:05 Zeta: ""I assume you just don't care, uh?" That's your assumption, i can't say it's wrong. It's not the truth, but it's your assumption. As for the spill: I am not sitting in ashes, rending my garments, crying to heaven. It's irritating but my options for meaningful action are minimal and would be inconsequential. And unfortunately I think we can expect more of this sort of thing in the future. There will be outrage and shock but as Mr Bay Park Buzzy said: "You cannot argue with convenience AND cost! " We want oil (and coal) cheap and plentiful. And while it still is we will continue doing this sort of thing." That's being cynical. 05:54:10 Zeta: ""in America, you mean the U.S.A." Yes, that's what pert near everyone who says "America" means. It's kinda a worldwide thing. At least based on the worldwide radio I listen to. Of course there is North America, Central America and South America but when it's just "America" it usually always means U.S.A." Not true. no matter if everyone in the radio you listen to say so. In the rest of the world (except the UK) we call it U.S.A. don't believe me? ask around. 05:33:00 woofmutt: "in America, you mean the U.S.A." Yes, that's what pert near everyone who says "America" means. It's kinda a worldwide thing. At least based on the worldwide radio I listen to. Of course there is North America, Central America and South America but when it's just "America" it usually always means U.S.A. "I assume you just don't care, uh?" That's your assumption, i can't say it's wrong. It's not the truth, but it's your assumption. As for the spill: I am not sitting in ashes, rending my garments, crying to heaven. It's irritating but my options for meaningful action are minimal and would be inconsequential. And unfortunately I think we can expect more of this sort of thing in the future. There will be outrage and shock but as Mr Bay Park Buzzy said: "You cannot argue with convenience AND cost! " We want oil (and coal) cheap and plentiful. And while it still is we will continue doing this sort of thing. 23:55:52 Bay Park Buzzy: I heard that from the voice in my head. 23:36:05 Bay Park Buzzy: I heard that BP was trying to get people to boycott their own gas stations. That way, they coud go bankrupt and not have to pay for the ceanup. Genius! 23:35:51 Bay Park Buzzy: I buy my gas at BP because it's closer and cheaper than all the other gas stations. You cannot argue with convenience AND cost! 23:34:35 Zeta: aren't you just a little bit pissed? 23:01:55 Zeta: woofmutt, I assume you just don't care, uh? "it was an accident" you think? 22:50:58 Zeta: in America, you mean the U.S.A. 22:46:32 woofmutt: Not answering for the Mighty One but in America the outraged and self righteous are not buying gas at BP. They go to Exxon. Then drive smugly off. 22:41:58 Zeta: Liloti, what can I do about the BP spill? besides using oil as little as possible and be informed, what else can I do about it? Does talking about it and make people aware of it make any difference at all? 22:30:41

woofmutt: A continent named after a guy who made the map of it. We didn't have any say in that. 07:44:38
Zeta: Are you on crack? I guess people from the USA are called North Americans... but that's wrong too. That's exactly my point. You don't even bother to come up witha particular name for your country. You just appropriate the continents name. 07:42:46
woofmutt: Wait, American style bacon does not mean Canadian bacon??? MY HEAD HURTS! 07:40:05
woofmutt: Zeta, how popular is apple pie in the the United Mexican States? 07:34:51
woofmutt: Also I now turn to our Canadian readers: If I were to call you an "American" would you correct me in any way or would you feel that was an accurate descriptor for who you are? Keep in mind, I did not refer to you as a North American but simply as an American. 07:33:26
woofmutt: X Wrong and X wrong. American music isn't marketed as American music, it's used as a term to designate music from the United States. Music from these great continents is called "music of this Americas." Americans are not designated by what state we come from, we are lumped together as a whole. So there must be an accurate term for that whole which includes the entire name of our country or at least the most significant aspect of that name (such as those form The United Mexican States being simply called "Mexicans.") 07:29:57
Zeta: woofmutt: I also need an answer to the correct worldwide term for "American music" and "American football." No answer, that's just how the U.S.A. markets itself. not my problem. Mariachi band IS as American as the Ramones 07:26:03
Zeta: I know, I thought about that before... I guess you are from your state. Californian, Bostonian, Texan... I am as American as you are or as Taboo dan or as Clarita from Argentina. Deal with it. America=continent U.S.A. = country 07:24:20
woofmutt: I also need an answer to the correct worldwide term for "American music" and "American football." 07:23:18
woofmutt: And what am I, by the way? A United Statian? That seems inaccurate as it doesn't include America. Am I am United States of American? Why does it have to be so long? USAian is just weird and a little unfair because why should my country get reduced to just initials? 07:21:51
Zeta: Zeta 1 woofmutt 0 07:21:25
woofmutt: Never. I only speak for myself or those who have retained me to speak for them. In this case the United States has not retained me, thank God. I couldn't possibly express why so many United Statians (?) do or think what they do. 07:18:38
Zeta: But you ARE talking in the name of America. 07:14:54
Zeta: I never said I spoke for all of the world, I told you, don't believe me? Ask around. but you didn't quote me on that. 07:12:12
Zeta: "Yes, that's what pert near everyone who says "America" means. It's kinda a worldwide thing." You started the worldwide spoke man thing. U.S. is fine, but U.S.A. is the name. 07:09:26
woofmutt: "Not true. no matter if everyone in the radio you listen to say so. In the rest of the world (except the UK) we call it U.S.A." I didn't realize you spoke for all of the world except for the UK and the US. (Wait, can I call it it the US? Because it's short for United States and we're not the only United States.) I think that if you went to most places in the world and asked a person a question about America or Americans that very few people would be confused as to whether you were talking about Mexicans, Chileans, or Canadians. However, I am curious: In the rest of world (other than the UK) what do you call American music, American movies, American football, American literature, et cetera? (Note: "Boring and dumb" though frequently true of American music, movies, and football, does not count as an answer.) 07:04:15
MadDogMike: Cynical or realistic? The ideals that made this ciuntry (USA) great are dying off with our parents; "work hard & save"."do unto others as you would have them do unto you","eat your dinner or you don't get any dessert" have been replaced with instant gratification, entitlement, and pseudo-activism. While I don't buy into the conspiracy theories, I do believe this will continue because cheap oil is a top priority for us. 06:44:05
Zeta: ""I assume you just don't care, uh?" That's your assumption, i can't say it's wrong. It's not the truth, but it's your assumption. As for the spill: I am not sitting in ashes, rending my garments, crying to heaven. It's irritating but my options for meaningful action are minimal and would be inconsequential. And unfortunately I think we can expect more of this sort of thing in the future. There will be outrage and shock but as Mr Bay Park Buzzy said: "You cannot argue with convenience AND cost! " We want oil (and coal) cheap and plentiful. And while it still is we will continue doing this sort of thing." That's being cynical. 05:54:10
Zeta: ""in America, you mean the U.S.A." Yes, that's what pert near everyone who says "America" means. It's kinda a worldwide thing. At least based on the worldwide radio I listen to. Of course there is North America, Central America and South America but when it's just "America" it usually always means U.S.A." Not true. no matter if everyone in the radio you listen to say so. In the rest of the world (except the UK) we call it U.S.A. don't believe me? ask around. 05:33:00
woofmutt: "in America, you mean the U.S.A." Yes, that's what pert near everyone who says "America" means. It's kinda a worldwide thing. At least based on the worldwide radio I listen to. Of course there is North America, Central America and South America but when it's just "America" it usually always means U.S.A. "I assume you just don't care, uh?" That's your assumption, i can't say it's wrong. It's not the truth, but it's your assumption. As for the spill: I am not sitting in ashes, rending my garments, crying to heaven. It's irritating but my options for meaningful action are minimal and would be inconsequential. And unfortunately I think we can expect more of this sort of thing in the future. There will be outrage and shock but as Mr Bay Park Buzzy said: "You cannot argue with convenience AND cost! " We want oil (and coal) cheap and plentiful. And while it still is we will continue doing this sort of thing. 23:55:52
Bay Park Buzzy: I heard that from the voice in my head. 23:36:05
Bay Park Buzzy: I heard that BP was trying to get people to boycott their own gas stations. That way, they coud go bankrupt and not have to pay for the ceanup. Genius! 23:35:51
Bay Park Buzzy: I buy my gas at BP because it's closer and cheaper than all the other gas stations. You cannot argue with convenience AND cost! 23:34:35
Zeta: aren't you just a little bit pissed? 23:01:55
Zeta: woofmutt, I assume you just don't care, uh? "it was an accident" you think? 22:50:58
Zeta: in America, you mean the U.S.A. 22:46:32
woofmutt: Not answering for the Mighty One but in America the outraged and self righteous are not buying gas at BP. They go to Exxon. Then drive smugly off. 22:41:58
Zeta: Liloti, what can I do about the BP spill? besides using oil as little as possible and be informed, what else can I do about it? Does talking about it and make people aware of it make any difference at all? 22:30:41

Post #542174 by Zeta on Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:47 AM