Did Tiki Fail to Protect the Hawaiian 'Aina? - General Tiki

AC Atomic Cocktail Tiki Socialite Land O' The Next Big One-L.A. Joined: Jun 25, 2002 Posts: 929	AC Atomic Cocktail Posted posted on Tue, Jan 6, 2004 11:39 AM On 2004-01-04 10:49, christiki295 wrote: Regarding who is Hawaiian, we should also include the offspring of those from China, the Phillipines and Japan who arrived initially to work on the plantations. Following that logic, should we not then include the other folk (the "White" ones)as Hawaiian who came at the same time as those you list? Or are only non "White" races included in the Hawaiian family? By the way, the "Original Hawaiians" probably migrated from further west in Polynesia (so are not indigenous to the island either.) It's just a matter of timing. Despite that what Dole, John L. Stevens and Charlton Heston did to the Islands was just plain wrong. Did Tiki protect the 'Aina? I guess it's a matter of your viewpoint: No because the original settlers are outnumbered by others? Yes, because the original settler's Hawaiian cultures is still alive today DESPITE the massive effort in the 19th century to eradicate it. I like to think the latter. However, in the spirit of reconciliation I dedicate the following poem to all the oppressed in the world: "THE MODERN MANS LITANY" by Charles J. Nohai I Apologize for: All the Indians I have killed, All the Slaves I have owned, All the Women I have oppressed and All the Hawaiians I have stolen land from.

On 2004-01-04 10:49, christiki295 wrote:

Regarding who is Hawaiian, we should also include the offspring of those from China, the Phillipines and Japan who arrived initially to work on the plantations.

Following that logic, should we not then include the other folk (the "White" ones)as Hawaiian who came at the same time as those you list? Or are only non "White" races included in the Hawaiian family?

By the way, the "Original Hawaiians" probably migrated from further west in Polynesia (so are not indigenous to the island either.) It's just a matter of timing. Despite that what Dole, John L. Stevens and Charlton Heston did to the Islands was just plain wrong.

Did Tiki protect the 'Aina? I guess it's a matter of your viewpoint: No because the original settlers are outnumbered by others? Yes, because the original settler's Hawaiian cultures is still alive today DESPITE the massive effort in the 19th century to eradicate it. I like to think the latter.

However, in the spirit of reconciliation I dedicate the following poem to all the oppressed in the world:

"THE MODERN MANS LITANY"

by Charles J. Nohai

I Apologize for:

All the Indians I have killed,
All the Slaves I have owned,
All the Women I have oppressed
and
All the Hawaiians I have stolen land from.

Post #67910 by Atomic Cocktail on Tue, Jan 6, 2004 11:39 AM