We need to talk about your kitsch problem... - General Tiki

E EnchantedTikiGoth Member Calgary, Canada Joined: Dec 31, 2003 Posts: 355	E EnchantedTikiGoth Posted posted on Mon, Jul 10, 2017 11:54 AM On 2017-07-10 06:22, Swanky wrote: And this is exactly my point. We can't look at this from our perspective, nor can we do the whole "have a Mai Tai and chill out" thing. From the non-Tikiphile perspective, this shit is ugly and so are we. It is easy picking. Cartoony depictions of religious and culturally significant artifacts: check. Objectification of women as purely sex objects: check ... And then we top it off with the old white guy "What's next, you won't be able to offend anyone?" thing and BAM, Tiki is defacto out. Sign carrying young people out front, or more likely, #stoptiki or some other hash tag starts... ...And then shit all happens. As I said before, if you offend these people, NOTHING happens. I agree that "what's next, can't we offend anybody, you're being to sensitive" is a bad argument to make. It just makes you look like an insensitive, entitled jerk, and that is about the worst way to respond to people who hold feelings, sensitivity, and victimization as their primary virtue. I mean, insofar as nothing happens if you offend them. So I'd refer back to the strategizing I wrote out before... Don't play on their terms, challenge their terms. Reframe the discussion. Delegitimize their arguments. Assert your own dignity and rights.

On 2017-07-10 06:22, Swanky wrote:
And this is exactly my point. We can't look at this from our perspective, nor can we do the whole "have a Mai Tai and chill out" thing. From the non-Tikiphile perspective, this shit is ugly and so are we. It is easy picking. Cartoony depictions of religious and culturally significant artifacts: check. Objectification of women as purely sex objects: check ...

And then we top it off with the old white guy "What's next, you won't be able to offend anyone?" thing and BAM, Tiki is defacto out. Sign carrying young people out front, or more likely, #stoptiki or some other hash tag starts...

...And then shit all happens. As I said before, if you offend these people, NOTHING happens.

I agree that "what's next, can't we offend anybody, you're being to sensitive" is a bad argument to make. It just makes you look like an insensitive, entitled jerk, and that is about the worst way to respond to people who hold feelings, sensitivity, and victimization as their primary virtue. I mean, insofar as nothing happens if you offend them. So I'd refer back to the strategizing I wrote out before... Don't play on their terms, challenge their terms. Reframe the discussion. Delegitimize their arguments. Assert your own dignity and rights.

Post #777696 by EnchantedTikiGoth on Mon, Jul 10, 2017 11:54 AM