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Bwana Tiki
Grand Member (1 year)
Left Coast (south)
Joined: Feb 14, 2004
Posts: 110
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PHikli,
Wow… I’m gonna try and be nice about this but… you know, you have come to a place where there is a community of very talented carvers, ( I am not one them, I’m a uke player) . these guys carve awesome tikis and have invested a lot in their art. The fair market value of the item you suggest so far exceeds the prize money as to be laughable. Most everyone I have run into on TC, are very nice and polite people and this may account for your lack of feedback on the subject. Your kinda out of bounds here pal. It’s a nice idea and all, but its gonna cost you a few bucks to pull it off. By the way just how would I go about moving around 2’ – 4’ palm trunks anyway, sounds like a lot of work for your average chess player, or do you plan on making 'em outa plastic and fiberglass like your other stuff. If you are intent on having this marvel of a chess set then go find a respectable sum of money and come on back. I’m almost certain you could attract top carvers if only you had the dough. TC is the right place to come for this sort of thing its just your price is so low as to be insulting, as a professional designer it upset me to see someone trying to pull a fast one and pitting artists against one and other for chicken feed, come on now you realy expect to buy the rights to 18 origanal woks of art for $350.00. I wouldn't hold your breath. Its an ambitious project and I hope you pull it off, you talk a good game on your environmental statement page so how about you give the same respect to artists here at home as you do your overseas carvers, relative of course to the artists standard of living. you are suggesting that while you want to help raise the standard of living for overseas carvers while at the same time lowering the worth of domestic art by turning it into a contest in order to pit people against each other and get off cheap. Maybe you could lower your sights and shoot for a koa set with the king set at 12” or 18”. It’s a much more manageable size both for carvers and chess player. So you end up with six pieces and around 90” of carvings including the rights ie. copyrights, reproduction rights, etc. you would have to ask the carvers how much this is worth, but it is a fair sum of money, but in the grand scheme of things hardly an earth shattering amount by any means. So the question becomes do you up your price and make carvers compete, which I can’t believe these guy would be into, or do you just take the time to look around this website and find someone who’s work you like, offer a fair price and be done with it. Again I have to say THERE ARE A LOT OF TALENTED ARTISTS ON THIS SITE, so come on now Phikli, you can make this happen, and I might even be first in line to order a set even thought I don’t like chess, heck 32 table top tikis in a set, I’m in. you said you would accept concept drawing, in fact this may be all you are after, I think this is a fair request the time and expence involved in carving a sample would exceede your prize money. I just had to sound off on this deal as it smacks of exploiting artists and I stand against that sort of thing. so stop with the games and start treating these people with the respect they deserve. you appear to be a ligit business man, why not start acting like a professional. take a little time to look around TC find someone you like and get in touch with them and get them to do some work for hire. this contest thing is just not an ethical thing to do man, at least not at the present prize structure. suppose a designer rather than a carver is the winner. he is parted with his design for 200 bucks. he suggests a carver who carves the design for around 100 bucks a foot (1000 buck worth of carvings?)no one gets a back end except you. your in for a mear 1350.00 clams (preproduction)and you have 18 designs and six carved pieces. guess who get the short end of the stick, the designer, who get not much more than an avarage bar tab! meanwhile your off shopping for new oak doors for your house. poeple love to pull this junk on artists, thats why people like actors form guilds, to protect themselves from those who seek to exploit thier art and run off with all the profit. by the way I didn't notice pricing on your web site, (I may have missed it) just how much does a big ole teak chess set go for anyway? face it if you could pull it off yourself you would not be here sniffing around for ultra cheap art. come up with a model where the artist is not treated like a dupe and I'm sure you will get better results.
ARTIST SHOULD DEMAND A BACK END WHEN THEIR ART IS REPRODUCED WITHOUT LIMITS!Call it royalities or residuals or whatever you like, just make sure you get your just deserves.if this guy wants to buy out your backend then let him make you a realistic offer If anyone of us accept his terms we set up a downward spiral for everyone, we undermine our true value, and give the message that we are willing to pit ourselves against each other for nothing more than ego gratifcation and a bar tab.
hey pshikli, do you have contests for your accountant? just have a dozen CPA's do your books and then choose which book keeping you like best and pay for that one? Okay I'm ranting now, I've driven this into the ground.
Artists Unite Against Exploitive Practices,
BWANA
[ Edited by: Bwana Tiki on 2004-03-14 11:41 ]
[ Edited by: Bwana Tiki on 2004-03-14 11:46 ]
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