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The Well-Read Tikiphile-for BigBro(mostly)
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Fri, Feb 21, 2003 2:35 PM
Hawaii...James Michener |
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Fri, Feb 21, 2003 5:51 PM
My guess is the 1812 Overture - just watch out for the cannons! :wink: |
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Fri, Feb 21, 2003 5:54 PM
The Oxford English Dictionary? Just chain-yanking. Get at least one of Trader Vic's recipe books, if only for his wisdom. Trader Woody |
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Fri, Feb 21, 2003 6:10 PM
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Fri, Feb 21, 2003 8:17 PM
The ... book .. of .. tiki ...? |
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Fri, Feb 21, 2003 8:24 PM
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Fri, Feb 21, 2003 10:16 PM
It's not enough to own these books. We must read them and study them and understand the magic that is Tiki! |
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Fri, Feb 21, 2003 10:43 PM
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Fri, Feb 21, 2003 11:28 PM
Unfortunately, my dog ate my copy of The Book Of Tiki, so I couldn't study. :( |
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Fri, Feb 21, 2003 11:49 PM
Okay. |
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Sat, Feb 22, 2003 1:17 AM
of course the TIKI NEWS is a must read.. although I believe some backissues may be hard to come by at this point.. get bigbro's VHS tape(s) thats a good one |
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Sat, Feb 22, 2003 7:11 AM
I ahve to agree somewhat with the above posts. Tales from the South Pacific is a classic read. Kon-Tiki while an interesting read is highly disputed within archaeological circles. Just because you can do it does not mean it actually happened. I have been meaning to get the book by the ethnologist that went with Thor. |
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Sat, Feb 22, 2003 7:22 AM
It is true, I have Maryanne's Gilligan's Island cookbook but it's not necessarily just desert island type food - it's just favourite recipes of cast members and friends re-named to sound tropical. |
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Sat, Feb 22, 2003 8:05 AM
I must disagree with the earlier comment that Tiki is mostly about drinking. I'll admit that Tiki has had a strong influence on drinking and vice-versa. Tiki, however, is more about a feeling. It's a state of mind not necessarily achieved through drinking alcohol. My wife and I count about four times that I've had alcohol in the six years we've been together. I'm not against other people drinking. I just don't feel the need to put alcohol in my body to achieve a state of "Tiki". (I do own both of Beachbum Berry's guides. I'm not a total stick in the mud!) |
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Sat, Feb 22, 2003 8:31 AM
I on the other hand I have not had a drink in 9 years blah blah blah, and I am a total stick in the mud. Sorry wrong subject matter subtract 10 points Have no brakes [ Edited by: thebaxdog on 2003-02-22 08:33 ] |
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Sat, Feb 22, 2003 8:42 AM
"Taboo, The Art Of Tiki" is about 25% tiki and about 75% absolute toilet level abomination/adolescent "wooh!" culture fantasy art. I would have to place "Night of the Tiki" eons above that book in every way in the art department. |
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Sat, Feb 22, 2003 8:49 AM
"How Daddy Became a Beachcomber". It's all true. My aunt wrote it about my Grandfather. My other aunt did the illustrations. Might be a little hard to find. E-bay maybe? |
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Sat, Feb 22, 2003 9:15 AM
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Sat, Feb 22, 2003 11:11 AM
I can't say I've ever had the need to study any materials on tiki in order to live it. It's just sort of always been there... |
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Sat, Feb 22, 2003 11:56 AM
True. However if we're gonna own the books we should read them. I know books aren't for everybody and it's certainly not necessary to read a book to live a Tiki life. But, reading these book can truly enhance our knowledge and the Tiki experience. (I'm not really interested in reading anything that doesn't somehow produce fun for me.) |
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Sun, Feb 23, 2003 12:22 PM
LEt me offer a few suggestions about studies concerning Polynesian culture. Probably one of the most fascinating books is by a famous anthropologist named MArshall Sahlins. The title is Islands of History and it discusses the arrival of Captain Cook to Hawaii and how the native populations viewed him. Its a great book and I highly recommend it. He has a number of other books and articles concerning the islands that can be found usually online or at any university library. Its worth the trip! One the lighter side, I found a book in a thrift store once entitled Pacific Odyssey. The book was authored by a bumbling wealthy British family as they sailed through the south pacific for 2.5 years on their yacht. Its pretty funny (even though I'm sure it was not supposed to be) and has some observations of some south pacific festivals that are very entertaining. |
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Sun, Feb 23, 2003 5:04 PM
...for some reason, for the first years after I moved to L.A. in the early 80s, I had three Texan girlfriends in a row, one I even met when visiting back home in Hamburg. (So I knew what Fajitas were before anyone else in L.A.) About the books: Polynesian POP had really never been described before the BOT and Tiki News, so there is not much else out there... Hawaiian 20th century and before: "The Aloha Shirt" by Hope/Tozian, "Leis, Luaus and Alohas" by Baston/Phoenix (picture book), and DeSoto Brown's books on Waikiki. True Polynesian culture? Too many to mention. One has to look under the different island groups (Hawaiian, Marquesan, Maori, etc) and under "Oceanic Art" in general. |
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Sun, Feb 23, 2003 9:23 PM
The film "Kon Tiki" is quite interesting. Netflix has it.. its all actual footage from the voyage. |
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Sun, Feb 23, 2003 10:55 PM
I find that Thor Heyerdahl's Aku Aku is my favorite "historical book related to Tiki" by a longshot. His "Fatu Hiva" and of course "Kon Tiki" are good too, but Aku Aku takes the prize in my book (sure, what the heck, I admit it: the pun was intentional). Latey, in fact, reading Heyerdahl has inspired me to seek out many other "south seas adventure traveloges" published between the 1840s and 1950s. All but the Melville book contain photos, and many of the photos contain Tikis. All are rare, but probably not expensive if you do find them. Here are some faves: The Last Cannibals by Jens Bjerre, 1957 Hidden Worlds of Polynesia by Robert C. Sugggs, 1962 Bride in the Solomons, Osa Johnson, 1944 Typee, During a Four Months Residence in the Valley of The Marquesas, Herman Mellville, 1846 Tonga - A Tale of the Friendly Islands< Patricia Ledyard, 1956 Adventures In Paradise: Tahiti and Beyond, Willard Price, 1955 Sorcerer's Village, Hassoldt Davis, 1955 Also, the Heyerdahl bio "Senor Kon Tiki" is a great read, and if you can find it, Heyerdahl's encyclopedic 1000+ page "Art of Easter Isalnd". Also, anything by Routledge on Easter Is. and... (cough)... (ahem)... there IS one other book that I hope you will all have in your libraries about 6 weeks from now... (cough cough)... certainly (or hopefully) the most comprehensive book on Tiki since Sven's holy tome... (clears throat).. if I my say so myself... |
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Mon, Feb 24, 2003 9:49 AM
I read "Waikiki Beachnik" this year by H. Allen Smith. There is a photo of this book in the BOT. Don't know where you can get a copy. I found mine on ebay fairly cheap. The book was written in 1959 by a well-known humorist of the time. It has lots of references to many Polynesian Pop icons including, Donn Beach, Webley Edwards, Alfred Apaka, Arthur Lyman, and Henry J. Kaiser. |
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bigbrotiki wrote:[/i]
Why, thanks, y'all! :wink: Our mamas tried to raise us right! (Actually, we do NOT use "y'all" as a singular pronoun form, merely the second person plural, in lieu of having a proper one like most other civilized languages. Instead, we must improvise with y'all, youse guys, you guys, or England's you lot. sigh) |
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Mon, Feb 24, 2003 3:31 PM
Oi you lot, Just picked up a couple of older books - "The Golden Haze" - Roderick Cameron "Tangaroa's Godchild" - Olaf Ruhan I doubt that either could be described as 'essential', as I've survived this long without reading them but both look like worthy additions to any Tiki bookshelf. Did anyone mention Don the Beachcomber's "Hawai'i Rum Drinks" book? It got good press here a while back and it lived up to the early reviews. Trader Woody |
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Tue, Feb 25, 2003 11:25 PM
The only books you need are "The Book Of Tikie," "The Grog Log," "Tales Of The South Pacific" and "Trader Vic's Book Of Food & Drink." Someone mentioned "Night of the Tiki: The Art of Shag, Schmaltz, and Selected Primitive Oceanic Carvings" -- skip it... it's junk. Most of the pictures are of contemporary Tikis, and the best photos of Oceanic Arts/Schmaltz stuff is in Sven's book, anyway. "Tiki Drinks" by Adam Rocke (illustrated by Shag), "The Great Tiki Drink Book" by Jennifer Trainer Thompson are also crap. Beachbum Berry's "Grog Log" is the only one you need. It took me three years to try each drink once, in my own house. "Tiki Drinks" is especially bad, except for Shag's cover, but his art is a dime a dozen these days, so unless you are a Shag completist, there is better artwork of his to be had, as well. |
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Wed, Feb 26, 2003 12:19 AM
True nuff. It was the first "Tiki" drink book I ever ordered (amazon), and what a disappointment. I gave it to my bro cuz he had no Shag art at all. I love Shag (have a print), but the drinks in this book would gag the worst sugar junkie. Totally inauthentic 90's shooter-bar muck. "Grog Log" is it, baby! em |
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Wed, Feb 26, 2003 2:15 AM
While I agree that Tiki Drinks is a pile of shite, and that any budding cocktail-meister should turn to the Grog Log (and indeed it's sister tome 'Intoxica'), I don't go along with the view of 'Night of the Tiki' at all. Personally, I see it as being a well laid out exhibition revealing how original Pacific objects have inspired Western carvers and artists, who in turn have inspired a new generation of artists. It's not supposed to be a catch-all Tiki book, but demonstrates clearly how inspiration travels through the generations. Trader Woody |
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Wed, Feb 26, 2003 12:27 PM
Personally, I see it as being a well laid out exhibition revealing how original Pacific objects have inspired Western carvers and artists, who in turn have inspired a new generation of artists. Looks like a catalogue for the presents Tikis and carvings being sold at Oceanic Arts. Truth be told, and Sven will tell you more authoritatively than I can, that book skips the initial inspirations for Tiki-Pop art. Many of the original-true Tiki artifacts don't/didn't have paint on them. A lot of the great Tikis from the '50s and '60s have been repainted over the years (in the name of preservation or re-sell-ability), but that's not the way they were originally designed. |
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Wed, Feb 26, 2003 1:39 PM
"Taboo: The Art Of Tiki" wins my outhouse wiping material award. Tiki meets-spring break-beer-binge-meets-insane-clown-posse-meets-bad porn-meets gold-chain-wearing dance club regular. Any of which has as little to do with original 50's tiki culture as I do with Mother Theresa. |
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Wed, Feb 26, 2003 11:56 PM
Most of the contemporary Tiki art is not good, as far as I'm concerned. It's just too colorful, or pastelish. I actually did a lot of research on contemporary Tiki, and Sven can tell you, I contemplated doing an article, even a book, on the new Tiki Pop movement. Alas, I felt that it was a much weaker subject than the original era, and it didn't inspire me on a whole. It has been fun to be a part of, and amazing that so much came out of a book and a small publication (i.e. a whole sub-culture). For that new awareness, I'm thankful. But that "Taboo" book basically represents how I feel about the look of the contemporary Tiki movement... close, but no cigar. |
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Thu, Feb 27, 2003 12:08 AM
Amen, bruddah. |
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Thu, Feb 27, 2003 7:43 AM
I am greatly appreciative of 'Taboo: The Art of the Tiki.' It was perhaps the first of the recent books to show the resurgence of this latest round of tiki culture. Taboo was published in 1999 - before Sven's 'Book of Tiki,' and before Shag's first artwork collection 'Supersonic Swingers.' I know that this book helped spark my further interest in tiki. At the time, it was the only book that allowed one to be exposed to the artwork of Mark Ryden, Shag, and Bosko - and I am saddened to thus hear others refer to it as toilet paper. I'll agree that many of the other artists aren't on the same caliber of quality as those just mentioned, but I will give them credit for dabbling in tiki and being enthusiastic about tiki before many of us entered the scene. Vern |
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Thu, Feb 27, 2003 1:07 PM
What is great and important about "Taboo- Art of Tiki" is not the individual art per se (although there is a lot of fine stuff in there), but that it demonstrates what an inspiration the Tiki image provides for all kinds of artists. He has truly proven himself to be the God of the Artists, as the Marquesans saw him. I am a vintage Tiki fan first and foremost, but I am proud that my research has influenced artists even before Taboo was out, because my love for the arts and visuals made me do it in the first place. The problems that I have with Night of the Tiki are that it has a great concept, the evolution from Native Tiki to American 50s Tiki (Leroy) to Tiki now (Shag), but that it is confusing in it's realization. Too much non-Tiki art (Irian Jaya ?), not enough authentic Tiki, and what is shown as Leroy's works are too few of his originals, and too many machine carved copies of authentic carvings that he just went and overcolored in the "nouveaux" Tiki esthetic, (which began when restaurant proprietors wanted to update their Tikis in the 70s and 80s, a sign of Tiki devolution in my opinion.) |
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Thu, Feb 27, 2003 7:28 PM
As I recall, 'Night of the Tiki' was a companion book to the gallery exposition that happened in Brea, CA. It seeks to illuminate traditional tiki culture through the dislay of primitive carvings and to show, through the work of Shag and Leroy Schmaltz, how these artists have taken tiki to new levels. To call it crap is not understanding the reason for it. |
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Sat, Mar 1, 2003 1:05 AM
'Night of the Tiki'... seeks to illuminate traditional tiki culture through the dislay of primitive carvings and to show, through the work of Shag and Leroy Schmaltz, how these artists have taken tiki to new levels. It seeks to do that, but doesn;t do a good job of it. I understood the concept, but as Sven pointed out more eloquently than I, the carvings used were not '50s Schmaltz originals, but Oceanic Arts pressings FROM LeRoy's originals, with a ton of incongruous paint on them. Believe me, when I call it "crap," I don't mean that Shag's art or LeRoy's carvings are crap. Quite the contrary. I just think the book is not quite accurate and seems like another way to flood the copious market demand without giving something that has a lot of lasting power. We plug Sven's book because it is thorough, and doesn't seek to be anything more than it claims, but fulfills all it claims to be, at the same time. |
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Sat, Mar 1, 2003 9:28 AM
The Book Of Tiki is the one book to buy. Sven should be making a mint lecturing at art and design schools! |
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Sat, Mar 1, 2003 11:25 AM
Thanks for clarifying your point BC. I see what you're saying. |
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Mon, Jun 2, 2003 1:47 PM
Has anyone heard of a book called "Confessions of a Beachcomber", by E. J. Banfield? Here's an excerpt from page 10 that sounds like something Mr. Beach might have related to: "Had we not cast aside all traditions, revolting from the uniformity of life, from the rules of the bush as well as the conventionalities of scociety? Here we were to indulge our caprices, work out our own salvation, live in accordance with our own primitive notions, and, if possible, find Pleasure in haunts which it is not popularly supposed to frequent. "Others may point to higher ideals and tell of exciting experiences, of success achieved, and glory and honor won. Ours not to envy superior qualifications and victories which call for strife and struggle, but to submit oursleves joyfully to the charms of the 'simple life." If the author had mentioned rum somewhere in the above paragraph, I'm sure our own dear Beachcomber would have embraced the text. Here's another excerpt a few pages later... "This was our very own life we were beginning to live; not life hampered and restricted by the wills, wishes and whims of others, but life unencumbered by the domineering wisdom, unembarassed by the formal courtesies of the crowd." I'm just starting this book, so I'll try to relay any other gems I come across. I know the prose is a little difficult, but I think the 2nd paragraph of the first passage cited would make a terrific Tiki Central toast. [ Edited by: Kailuageoff on 2003-06-02 13:50 ] [ Edited by: Kailuageoff on 2003-06-02 13:52 ] |
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"How Daddy Became a Beachcomber" has just become available for $50. If any one is interested, I would be happy to send them a link to acquire the book (not from me). Cheers, KT |
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Sun, Apr 4, 2004 5:44 PM
Just re-read this thread, and also just re-read a book I mentioned here last year: "Typee" by Melville. The narrator is stranded on a Marquesian island for four months, and gives a detailed and intimate look at all aspects of Marquesian island life circa 1840. A great read. Melville's opinions and socio-political views are remarkably forward-thinking for his era. His criticisms of the church and of the way the islanders are viewed by Europeans are absolutely contemporary with modern thinking circa 2004. |