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Dallas, Don The Beachcomber
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I couldn't find many specifics on this so I am asking it in a new post. Back in the late 1970s, before I moved to Dallas, some friends took me to the neatest restaurant. Finally, after years of searching I have discovered it was Don The Beachcomber. I know the general area of it but not specifically. And I am looking for any information on the original address, any photos of the building or anything visible like that. Can anyone on this forum offer any help, photos, address or anything like that...or suggest another place to look?? Thanks so much and tiki-on!!! D* |
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Tue, Apr 3, 2007 10:54 AM
Aloha, CallDon, and welcome to Tiki Central! There were several Don the Beachcomber locations over the years... if you tell us more about the spot, we may be able to pinpoint which one it was. Here's a list of the Don the Beachcomber locations in Critiki (not an exhaustive list): |
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Tue, Apr 3, 2007 11:11 AM
Dallas, Texas - Meadow Road, just off Greenville Avenue, closed in the mid-1980s This is where the Dallas address location was listed. See ya, Psycho Tiki D (I know I am and occasionally am here)! |
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Tue, Apr 3, 2007 1:10 PM
Ah! I got all confused... when I read you were looking for a location you went to before you moved to Dallas, I thought it was a location somewhere else -- should have noticed the Dallas in your subject line! Thanks for the tip-off, Psycho, I've now added this location to Critiki. A bit of homework turned up these additional details (but no pictures, I'm afraid):
That's from this web page. Another post on that same site describes the restaurant as being one of the round, UFO-looking ones they were doing in the '70s. Did a bit of searching and a bit of poring over maps, and came up with a likely address: 8380 Meadow Rd. That location is a Stop N' Go gas station now. The address may not be the one that was used when the restaurant was open, it may have been changed when it was bulldozed & rebuilt into the gas station. |
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Tue, Apr 3, 2007 6:16 PM
Hey humuhumu...while you're adding Dons to your web site... http://www.tikicentral.com/viewtopic.php?topic=21785&forum=2 :wink: |
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Tue, Apr 3, 2007 8:51 PM
You guys are great! But the funny thing is...I am the "donspiano" who started that thread by asking the same questions to the Dallas History message board. There were a couple of responses, then nothing for nineteen more months. I had not seen the follow-up posts. Originally, I asked that group, the Dallas History message board, about the restaurant. Guess I should read it more often. But I love this tiki group. Another funny thing is, I have some of the books listed on the book page! And I have an on-line radio station that plays Authur Lyman, Les Baxter, Martin Denny and other "Beautiful Music" and "easy listening" artists, mostly instrumental. I have Yma Sumac but her vocal sound doesn't really fit the style of the primarily instrumental station. I need to play a few of her more "calm" vocals during the daytime hours. Thanks again for the great help. Don in Dallas |
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Wed, Apr 4, 2007 6:47 AM
Welcome to Tiki Central CallDon! Always nice to see more Dallasites tuning in. I've been doing research on several of the old Dallas tiki spots (including Don the Beachcomber) and plan on eventually posting my findings for each one in the Locating Tiki section. I haven't really even started on my post for DTB yet but I can give you a few facts. The restaurant was opened in 1974 and closed in 1982, a short but not surprising run, and was located at 8380 Meadow Road at Greenville. The building was the classic mushroom shape that DTB became famous for. I found one picture in the Dallas Morning News but the quality is so bad it's not even worth posting. I'll mess with it in Photoshop and see what I can get out of it. Food was typical oriental with a Polynesian twist but most people went for the drinks and appetizers. In 1975 a female bartender filed suit against DTB because she was hired as a bartender but was then advised that it was against company policy to work female bartenders where they could be seen in public. I'll get my Locating Tiki posting up one of these days. |
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Wed, Apr 4, 2007 7:18 PM
Love it! I probably visited there around 1980. But I did not really know much about it then. I was with 3 or 4 other guys, all preacher-types. We came in from Garland so I didn't even know where I was in the city back then. Were these all company stores or what? Any idea as to why it closed? BTW, I went down to the new Trader Vics. After looking at the rather pricy menu, I don't remember DTB being that expensive for that time. How were the prices relativel to the $30 entres that TV's has?? Thanks, |
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Wed, Apr 4, 2007 8:23 PM
Here's the rendering of it:
Kenike, do you know HOW MANY Don B's had that "organic" architecture? I would love to know. I know of many of the following only through menu/matchbook listings: The Marina Del Rey one (BOT page 74) did, it opened in 1970, but the San Diego one that opened in the same year did not. Then under Getty Corporation ownership, in the 70s the chain swelled to 18 locations, which counts the early Hollywood, Chicago and Palm Springs locations (which were definitely not that shape), and 3 new Hawaiian places. The Las Vegas, Malibu, Saint Paul and 2 Colorado sites were all in Hotels, I believe. That leaves Corona Del Mar, San Jose, Santa Barbara, Houston, and West Lafayette, Indiana as possible Poly Pop pods. |
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Fri, Apr 6, 2007 10:01 AM
Never having eaten at Don's, hard to say how the two would compare now. I know that these days Trader Vic's is geared more toward an upscale clientele...meaning more toward people willing to spend that kind of money and not your casual diner (I usually only do drinks and an appetizer). Who was Don's target customer? Judging by what I've read, they were geared more toward casual dining but I could be wrong. As far as why Don's closed, not really sure. I know that they opened at the worst possible time for those types of Polynesian restaurants. It had to be hugely unprofitable to have only lasted 8 years. The Dallas Morning News archives are not available between 1977 and 1983 so if there was anything in the paper about it I can't get access to it. Repeated calls to the Dallas Morning News have gotten me nowhere. I figured out the year they closed by going through old telephone directories.
Not a clue, bigbro. I thought YOU would be the one to ask, ha ha. I love that rendering of Don's and the one pictured in BOT is fantastic. For what it's worth, here's the only pic I've been able to find of the Dallas location. This is without spending hours in Photoshop trying to fix it up. |
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Fri, Apr 6, 2007 10:21 AM
Cool! Now you just have to find Ronny McKee, and he'll have to have kept all his negatives! Right! :) Love those outrigger beams shot with a wide angle from below. Just to clarify to the photographically less experienced viewers, that sign must have been in the foreground, and the wide angle makes it look huge: It is not IN, or as big as, the entrance. It's possible that O.A. know the architecture firm that did these pods, and that could lead to more info.... |
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Fri, Apr 6, 2007 4:16 PM
You can still visit at least one of the "pods" today: http://www.tikicentral.com/viewtopic.php?topic=21785&forum=2 Regarding the food...I used to dine at Don The Beachcombers all the time. Most notably Hollywood, CA; Marina Del Rey, CA; San Diego, CA; and Maui, Hawaii. Don's food was basically Chinese/Cantonese food, that you usually shared "family style" at your table like you would at a typical Chinese restaurant today. It was Chinese food in a Polynesian setting. Which was a theme adopted later by many other Chinese restaurants. So IMHO and experience...Don's was always much cheaper than Vics. Trader Vics always had more traditional full entree plates...Steaks...Seafood...Chicken. That sort of thing. Vics was definitely more upscale. |
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This is the first I've read that there was a DtB in Indiana. Are you sure about that? Do you know where it was located in that town? |
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Sat, Apr 7, 2007 7:31 AM
I drive down Greenville Ave all the time. A couple of nights ago, I turned up Meadow and there was the gas station on a HUGE lot for such a small station. I have driven by many times but not paid attention. I may check it out again today and take a couple of photos with my phone. When I was at DTB, we were there for lunch and only one time. But I was a bit shocked at the $30 entrees at the new TV on Mockingbird. A friend and I meet and eat out at least 3 or 4 times a week. That's when we get our "visit" and gossip time in. Guess we won't be regulars at TVs. I love the decor but a $75 casual meal for two is not in our budget just to visit and talk about everyone else we know! Back to Mexican or I-HOP or...gasp...Bennigans. What a shame! |
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Sat, Apr 7, 2007 9:21 AM
I know. I just don't know what it is with TV's, years ago I told them that they should market themselves more towards a wider, middle class audience, but they still are trying to hang on to the original Trader's "Officer's Club" hoity toity clientele, which has long died out since Vic's day. I don't understand the restaurant business, and it is T.V.'s tradition to target the affluent, but where are they? I only know of the Don B. in Indiana from a menu list of their various franchises, and the only other info on it is that it was at the Sheraton Hotel. That does not necessarily mean that it was IN the hotel (though likely) sometimes Polynesian restaurants were build adjacent to, and still managed by a hotel. The Colorado ones were at the Plaza Cosmopolitan Hotel in Denver, and the Ramada Renaissence Hotel in Aurora. [ Edited by: bigbrotiki 2007-04-07 09:27 ] |
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Sat, Apr 7, 2007 4:46 PM
fyi, DtB entry in Wikipedia - |
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[ Edited by: filslash 2008-09-20 15:19 ] |
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CallDon
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Tue, Apr 10, 2007 8:29 PM
I went by the Meadow Road location yesterday and took a few photos with my phone...Treo700p. For some reason, I didn't think about taking my camera. As someone mentioned, the lot is very deep, as deep as the width of two lots. The location for DTB is on Meadow, a street running east to west. The DTB restaurant was facing North as this gas station is facing north. To the east side of DTB would be the rear of Chilies, which faced East on Greenville Ave., which runs north and south. To the south side of Chilies, also facing east, is a closed Don Pablo's Mexican restaurant where I have eaten many times. To the left of this photo is the rear of Chili's. I cut off the sign. Chili's faces Greenville Ave which intersects with Meadow to the left of this photo. I am standing on Meadow taking these photos. This photo is looking south/east, more or less. I am not good at guessing measures but here is something to consider. This lot, the Don The Beachcomber lot where the gas station/convenience store now sits is as deep as the Chilies and the Mexican restaurant side by side. When I used to park in the back parking lot of Don Pablo's, I did not realize I was actually parking behind where Don The Beachcomber's sat, facing Meadow Rd. I will also try to get a photo directly from the front, like the newspaper photo in the earlier post. D* [ Edited by: CallDon 2007-04-10 20:39 ] |
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Sat, Apr 28, 2007 5:33 PM
Houston is (was) a YES! From my forthcoming article on Houston tiki, a quote by SpaceAge, as found on HAIF: Sounds like a match to me! |
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Thu, Jun 19, 2008 2:23 PM
Funny, small world. The post from the Dallas History message board, quoted earlier by Humu, was actually mine! Had no idea at the time "donspiano" (aka CallDon) was a TC'er. As to why Don's closed, my theory is, a couple of things: 1) Generally intense competition in the restaurant business, at that time and place, and, 2) an outdated menu that no longer delivered on the implied promise of an exotic dining experience. [ Edited by: Limbo Lizard 2008-06-19 14:31 ] |
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Sat, Jun 21, 2008 4:02 AM
Allow your humble servant to offer a few ideas. . . I have spent a few years doing "drive-in archaeology," IE the same sort of stuff Sven has done for Tiki, I had done for drive-in theatres. There are more than a few of my pictures and research in Don Sanders books about drive-in theatres, as well as his DVD feature. But I digress. . . If someone has a little spare time, a lot can probably be learned about the old DTB. Since someone found a picture that appeared in the Dallas paper, contact the paper for a much better copy of the picture. It will probably cost about $20 or so. Secondly, the article mentioned, one, "Chuck Gaetani." I am betting he is older, but probably still alive. Check the phone books and make a few calls. I bet he can probably supply some great pictures, stories, and other managers names. Chances are good, he can tell you exactly why it closed and when. Another avenue is old aerial photographs. There are companies that take such pics annually. You can usually get copies of those for about the same price, $20 or so. They will show you what the restaurant and lot looked like and give you a good idea when it was demolished. Lastly, look in the libraries vertical file and or old newspapers (especially the entertainment section) where you will likely find pictures of the restaurant and old advertisements. There might even be a short article about the place opening or closing. . . Sometimes you can find great material easily, sometimes nothing. . but you never know till you try. Somthing else to remember is these guys (managers and such) are getting older and, well, passing on. The sooner someone looks them up, the better. . . Regards, |
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Sat, Jun 21, 2008 5:46 AM
Yes, all very good suggestions, Wesley. I am dying to see more material on the Don The Beachcomber UFOs. Even thought they existed somewhat more recent, and into the 80s, it is scarce. |
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Sat, Sep 13, 2008 9:26 AM
I got a chance to drop by the main Dallas library, and found some clippings on file. Went back to the car for my camera - apologies for the roughness of the pics. Here's a review of the Dallas DTB, dated Jan. 3, 1975. Here's another clipping, dated Sept. 11, 1975. It mentions a few other restaurants as part of the group. I remember Captain Cook's Seafood Grotto was on Greenville Ave. next to Chili's, a stone's throw from Don's. Pepe Gonzalez was on down at the corner of Greenville and Southwestern (now a McDonald's). [ Edited by: Limbo Lizard 2008-09-13 10:28 ] |
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Sat, Sep 13, 2008 10:16 AM
The Dallas library has reference copies of a publication named 'Dallas Menu', which printed menus from prominent area restaurants. They only produced two editions - Fall '76 and Spring '77. The paper was light brown, to enhance the look of the menus, I suppose. Here's what they had for Don's, in '76 edition. (Perhaps Kenike, with his superior photographic skills, can get a better image to replace these, at some point. They had menus for Vic's and Ports O'Call, too.) |
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Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:00 AM
Just a couple of current pictures of the tiki-less ruins of the Dallas Don the Beachcomber. Notice the parking stop still reads "Beachcomber Only" and the line of similarly marked stops on the left of the second image. From the marks in the asphalt and concrete, the original building must have stood to the right, partly where the back of the gas station footprint now stands (just right of image), and slightly behind it too. Alas, no pile of abandoned tikis in the bushes. GK |
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Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:43 PM
Great stuff...I haven't checked this thread in quite a while and just saw Limbo Lizards post from almost a year ago for the first time. Great pic of the exterior of DTB. Better than that old scan I posted before. How funny that the "Beachcomber Only" is still visible 27 years after they closed? |
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Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:57 PM
The date and year I was born. Interesting. |
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Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20 PM
My God, Unkle! It can't be a simple coincidence - the odds are astronomical! But what could it all mean? |
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Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:55 AM
LOL wouldn't it be funny if I was named Donald instead of John? |
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Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:05 AM
Or, Ernest Raymond? "The rum's the thing..." [ Edited by: Limbo Lizard 2009-08-12 08:05 ] |
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Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:40 PM
I tracked down the newspaper photographer Ronny McKee some months ago. Unfortunately he does not have any of his old negatives of the DTB shoot in Dallas and suspects those were trashed long ago. Alas...perhaps another connection can be made... |
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Mon, Aug 9, 2010 6:08 PM
What about the big wig, James Cook, that was posted by Limbo Lizard in this picture: He would be a good person to talk to see if he happens to have any memorabilia or stories. Or what about the old general manager, Chuck Gaetani? That doesn't seem like to common a name is it? Who knows, they might have some old photos or paperwork from the restaurant. Anyways, it's always a good shot to try and find these types of people. Half the time, if you can find them, they don't have anything but usually have a story or two to tell. Keep us posted! It's cool to hear about these Beachcomber locations. There were so many restaurants but really there is very little documented locations out there. This one especially as it really didn't last long at all and had a very cool building. Mahalo, TabooDan |
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Fri, Aug 13, 2010 2:07 PM
I did a tiny bit of sleuthing, but came up with the wrong James Cook(s). I'll have to revisit this after I am finished exploring details of Ren Clark's Polynesian Village, which has been my part-time obsession over the last year. GK |
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Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:58 AM
Sorry for the cross-post, but since it is in the title.... http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/cityofate/2010/08/not_dallas_don_the_beachcomber.php |
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Sun, Jan 30, 2011 12:18 PM
Here's the aerial view of the Dallas Don's from 1979 ~ The UFO is gone by 1989. |
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Thu, Jan 19, 2012 10:31 PM
Thanks for this great photo. Is it on Meadow with Greenville Ave to the lower right in the photo?? And how can we see this and other images? Location? I would like to see the images on the outside of this one image. Thanks, D* Airstream FM .com [ Edited by: CallDon 2012-01-19 22:32 ] |
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Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:25 AM
I used http://www.historicaerials.com. |
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Sun, Jan 22, 2012 9:24 PM
I've circled the original 'Chili's' restaurant, opened in 1975. New seating rooms were added onto it, several times, before it was completely rebuilt in '81. It's no longer in operation, as of 4 or 5 years ago,.. but I hear they've opened others. [ Edited by: Limbo Lizard 2012-01-23 06:59 ] |
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Mon, Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM
It seems as though this thread should be moved to Locating Tiki. Here is a photo showing the UFO building. And another photo showing the cool entrance that Zulu Magoo posted on his blog. You can see the Tiki torches lit on the roof. DC |
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Mon, Jan 23, 2012 12:38 PM
Which of course also can be appreciated in its full, unclipped, two-page spread glory in the Book of Tiki - with Tiki! |
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Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:21 PM
The second picture Dustycajun posted above (in color), and Bigbro commented on, can't be the Dallas Don's, unless the picture was flipped. Looks like "76", down in the bottom left corner, so it hasn't been flipped, or the "76" was added afterwards. Looking at the entrance, the layout in Dallas was a mirror image of this one. |
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Mon, Jan 23, 2012 9:59 PM
The 76 is the page number from the Book of Tiki. It has been a subject of much speculation WHICH location exactly the photo is depicting. |
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Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:19 AM
I found one of the Red Cedar shingle advertisements that I had clipped the photo of the restaurant exterior from so I got some better scans. Close up of the large Tiki that was outside the entrance. And, the ad also had this cool architectural diagram of interior layout withing the "UFO". The diagram does seem to support the notion that the BOT photo is not from Dallas. DC |
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Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:01 PM
Sweet pics DC! Thanks for posting those... GK |
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Fri, Aug 19, 2016 11:45 AM
Finally found some photos of the UFO Don the Beachcomber building in Dallas! Some killer outside views. And some nice inside shots in color and black & white. Cool stuff! DC |
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Fri, Aug 19, 2016 12:40 PM
Awesome DC! |
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Fri, Aug 19, 2016 3:23 PM
Amazing photos! So now lets flip the BOT image and compare with one of DC's new photos. . It sure looks like the same building, although the bridge and sidewalk seem a little different. Could they have been redone at some point? The BOT image also has a large tiki roughly in the same spot as the one in DC's photo (for some reason it's been cropped off of the scan posted here), but it is a very different tiki (Marquesan?). If you have the Book of Tiki you can see it on page 77. |
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Great pictures Dusty. They bring back a lot of memories. |