Public warning to Tiki Bong; everyone please read - General Tiki

L lanikai Member Hawaii Joined: May 15, 2004 Posts: 490	L lanikai Posted posted on Thu, Oct 21, 2004 5:13 PM On 2004-10-20 23:28, Humuhumu wrote: Damn straight I don't like this. I think this is bullcrap. But it's a mistake to think this is bullcrap of Hanford's making. Humu= The voice of reason. ...one saving grace in TC is the majority of good friends and the openness of many who like learning and sharing different aspects of Polynesian Pop. (whatever that may be.) and the island's perpective is a refreshing viewpoint by some on TC. The growing ohana and intermingling with cool and creative people such as alnshely, gecko, benzart, humu, and many others is an oasis in our modern hectic world. However, TC was gradually coming to resemble a bully pulpit and a personal BLOG dominated by Tiki Bong who harranged, harrassed and chased away well meaning people and those that wanted to share their perspective and offer answers to many frequent queries such as: where did this tiki mug come from? what is the influence or origin of this tiki? and other viewpoints as to the hidden aspects and origin of "tiki culture" in general. The local thugs and bigdaddies who supposedly own all tiki knowledge and who are the self proclaimed be all end all of tiki dom cause the shutdown of this so called cult (and it is becoming cultish) and by their occasional proclamations, uttered with extreme self importance, unknowingly are the deathknell of the milleau known as Tiki culture. On this board and elsewhere. Hanford Lemoore performs a thankless, very time-consuming difficult job in a very diplomatic, articulate gentlemanly fashion. What's it good for if the cult of personality and ego over run the true nature and potential of something that originated from a love and appreciation of an indigenous Polynesian icon... from the land of "aloha"? We thank the gods for all Hanford's work and effort on this intriguing unique web site. If TC were a moderated "newsgroup" on "usenet", many irrelevant, incoherent, strange, drunken, very profane and just plain bizzarre posts by this tiki bong person would not see the light of day. Freedom has been taken advantage of. This appearance of TC being tikibong's personal megaphone to the world repels people, It has an effect of repulsion. If a newsgroup, discussion board, whatever is dominated by a select few and becomes clique-ish with its resident knowitalls, bullies and poisonous vindictive arrogant hypersensitive kneejerk reactionary egos, it gets stifled and may experience a slow death. Sometimes too slow to be noticed. But it closes down and no new blood, no different voices or viewpoints are welcomed. Someone sez: "but come on, we're all adults here" but that is not altogether true. Some act like adults, some don't. Someone else sez: "hey; we had drinks together. he's a friend." but 99% of the viewers, lurkers, potential members and actual members of TC have no chance to meet up with this person... and many may feel after simply meeting up with him online, they would prefer shaking hands with the devil instead. Someone else equates TikiBong to a crazy kahuna on a tv show, warning that a volcanoe will go off if he is kicked off the island. On the contrary, showing some respect for the Tiki arena and its adherents in general will bring good karma, and bong's actions may result in someone kahuna'ing HIM. The reaction is justifiable incredulity when many hear him say: "Remember; we are more closely tied into Hawaii than most of the mainland population" or "I am studying and speaking Hawaiian". I am here today to tell ya; he is the last kind of character that would be welcome in Hawaii. And the first kind that expressing himself on the islands as he has done in TC, may result in severe reactions of the uncomfortable kind to say the least. (mokes hate loudmouth arrogant haoles) From my experience, this person is a major factor (if not the only factor) in many people reducing their contact with TC and for many, staying away from TC altogether. Good luck Hanford, and keep up the good work! malama ki'i kahiko [ Edited by: lanikai on 2004-10-21 17:38 ] [ Edited by: lanikai on 2004-10-21 18:33 ]

On 2004-10-20 23:28, Humuhumu wrote:

Damn straight I don't like this. I think this is bullcrap. But it's a mistake to think this is bullcrap of Hanford's making.

Humu=
The voice of reason.

...one saving grace in TC is the majority of good friends and the openness of many who like learning and sharing different aspects of Polynesian Pop. (whatever that may be.) and the island's perpective is a refreshing viewpoint by some on TC. The growing ohana and intermingling with cool and creative people such as alnshely, gecko, benzart, humu, and many others is an oasis in our modern hectic world.
However, TC was gradually coming to resemble a bully pulpit and a personal BLOG dominated by Tiki Bong who harranged, harrassed and chased away well meaning people and those that wanted to share their perspective and offer answers to many frequent queries such as:
where did this tiki mug come from?
what is the influence or origin of this tiki?
and other viewpoints as to the hidden aspects and origin of "tiki culture" in general.
The local thugs and bigdaddies who supposedly own all tiki knowledge and who are the self proclaimed be all end all of tiki dom cause the shutdown of this so called cult (and it is becoming cultish) and by their occasional proclamations, uttered with extreme self importance, unknowingly are the deathknell of the milleau known as Tiki culture. On this board and elsewhere.
Hanford Lemoore performs a thankless, very time-consuming difficult job in a very diplomatic, articulate gentlemanly fashion.
What's it good for if the cult of personality and ego over run the true nature and potential of something that originated from a love and appreciation of an indigenous Polynesian icon... from the land of "aloha"?

We thank the gods for all Hanford's work and effort on this intriguing unique web site. If TC were a moderated "newsgroup" on "usenet", many irrelevant, incoherent, strange, drunken, very profane and just plain bizzarre posts by this tiki bong person would not see the light of day. Freedom has been taken advantage of. This appearance of TC being tikibong's personal megaphone to the world repels people, It has an effect of repulsion. If a newsgroup, discussion board, whatever is dominated by a select few and becomes clique-ish with its resident knowitalls, bullies and poisonous vindictive arrogant hypersensitive kneejerk reactionary egos, it gets stifled and may experience a slow death. Sometimes too slow to be noticed. But it closes down and no new blood, no different voices or viewpoints are welcomed.

Someone sez: "but come on, we're all adults here" but that is not altogether true. Some act like adults, some don't. Someone else sez: "hey; we had drinks together. he's a friend." but 99% of the viewers, lurkers, potential members and actual members of TC have no chance to meet up with this person... and many may feel after simply meeting up with him online, they would prefer shaking hands with the devil instead.

Someone else equates TikiBong to a crazy kahuna on a tv show, warning that a volcanoe will go off if he is kicked off the island. On the contrary, showing some respect for the Tiki arena and its adherents in general will bring good karma, and bong's actions may result in someone kahuna'ing HIM. The reaction is justifiable incredulity when many hear him say: "Remember; we are more closely tied into Hawaii than most of the mainland population" or "I am studying and speaking Hawaiian". I am here today to tell ya; he is the last kind of character that would be welcome in Hawaii. And the first kind that expressing himself on the islands as he has done in TC, may result in severe reactions of the uncomfortable kind to say the least. (mokes hate loudmouth arrogant haoles) From my experience, this person is a major factor (if not the only factor) in many people reducing their contact with TC and for many, staying away from TC altogether.

Good luck Hanford, and keep up the good work!

malama ki'i kahiko

[ Edited by: lanikai on 2004-10-21 17:38 ]

[ Edited by: lanikai on 2004-10-21 18:33 ]

Post #120928 by lanikai on Thu, Oct 21, 2004 5:13 PM