UPDATE: Beyond and Bilge Talkback Topic - General Tiki

F Formikahini Tiki Socialite Houston, Texotica Joined: Aug 22, 2002 Posts: 1514	F Formikahini Posted posted on Thu, Sep 1, 2005 8:33 AM I'll stand by whatever Hanford wants to do, since he runs this complex and costly sandbox, and he can set the rules. That said, I think I'm on the side of wishing that B & B forums remain at least open to viewing by non-GM's. Newbies are needed around here to bring new life, and many appreciate the fact that we are not a bunch of dry, boring, single-minded, elitist historians. Ok, most of us are not :wink:. I came on board when there was essentially little more than a main discussion board, and I loved the breadth of knowledge, interests and humor involved. In fact, I already loved tiki (although I didn't know tons) but was drawn here by the community, whom I'd met at various tiki events. Is the community more important to me than tiki? At the risk of being reviled because I love people more than stuff, uh, yes. And yet, I love many of you for your love and devotion to tiki and love the knowledge you bring to me, so is there a clear distinction? Not for me. (And Heaven knows, I've spent a bundle on creating my little tiki paradise at home. But for me, what is the point of it if I can't share it with others?) I hope we who have been here a long time haven't forgotten that non-tiki-ish stuff used to appear all the time on board. It has indeed always been a part here. Sure, a non-tiki post would be prefaced by, "I'm not sure how tiki this is, but ..." and the info would then be shared. I personally didn't resent the encroachment. But I applaud now the separation of Beyond from Main. On 2005-08-31 17:23, Humuhumu wrote: I think the issue is even more complex -- I believe that the growing popularity of Bilge and Beyond skew the overall tone for the site. Beyond and Bilge have been great for giving us a place to put non-tiki threads, but one problem I see is that otherwise informative tiki topics seem to be getting pulled off-track by joking posts that have a distinct Beyond/Bilge color to them. I disagree with Humu2's assessment here. IMO, the existence of B&B doesn't make people occasionally get silly on Main. Rather, I see that they do keep the non-tiki stuff away from Main. Seems like we were always reminding people to stay on topic before, but I rarely see terrible strays now (although I'm sure they exist, but a quick moderator moves them, maybe?) And let us not forget the great moment when a Beyond thread was given the grand and glorious distinction of being moved TO Main! Beyond does provide much to the Tiki world, even if it's just keeping us informed and well-rounded. And I'm putting my money where my mouth is; I FI-nally renewed my GM status this morning. (I lost my place in the queue, though, as having been the 10th to sign up originally, excluding Hanford :( ) If nothing else, this whole discussion has appropriately shamed me into doing the right thing :) F

I'll stand by whatever Hanford wants to do, since he runs this complex and costly sandbox, and he can set the rules.

That said, I think I'm on the side of wishing that B & B forums remain at least open to viewing by non-GM's. Newbies are needed around here to bring new life, and many appreciate the fact that we are not a bunch of dry, boring, single-minded, elitist historians. Ok, most of us are not :wink:. I came on board when there was essentially little more than a main discussion board, and I loved the breadth of knowledge, interests and humor involved.

In fact, I already loved tiki (although I didn't know tons) but was drawn here by the community, whom I'd met at various tiki events. Is the community more important to me than tiki? At the risk of being reviled because I love people more than stuff, uh, yes. And yet, I love many of you for your love and devotion to tiki and love the knowledge you bring to me, so is there a clear distinction? Not for me. (And Heaven knows, I've spent a bundle on creating my little tiki paradise at home. But for me, what is the point of it if I can't share it with others?)

I hope we who have been here a long time haven't forgotten that non-tiki-ish stuff used to appear all the time on board. It has indeed always been a part here. Sure, a non-tiki post would be prefaced by, "I'm not sure how tiki this is, but ..." and the info would then be shared. I personally didn't resent the encroachment. But I applaud now the separation of Beyond from Main.

On 2005-08-31 17:23, Humuhumu wrote:
I think the issue is even more complex -- I believe that the growing popularity of Bilge and Beyond skew the overall tone for the site. Beyond and Bilge have been great for giving us a place to put non-tiki threads, but one problem I see is that otherwise informative tiki topics seem to be getting pulled off-track by joking posts that have a distinct Beyond/Bilge color to them.

I disagree with Humu2's assessment here. IMO, the existence of B&B doesn't make people occasionally get silly on Main. Rather, I see that they do keep the non-tiki stuff away from Main. Seems like we were always reminding people to stay on topic before, but I rarely see terrible strays now (although I'm sure they exist, but a quick moderator moves them, maybe?) And let us not forget the great moment when a Beyond thread was given the grand and glorious distinction of being moved TO Main! Beyond does provide much to the Tiki world, even if it's just keeping us informed and well-rounded.

And I'm putting my money where my mouth is; I FI-nally renewed my GM status this morning. (I lost my place in the queue, though, as having been the 10th to sign up originally, excluding Hanford :( ) If nothing else, this whole discussion has appropriately shamed me into doing the right thing :)

Post #183601 by Formikahini on Thu, Sep 1, 2005 8:33 AM