UPDATE: Beyond and Bilge Talkback Topic - General Tiki

H hanford_lemoore Tiki Socialite Tiki Central Joined: Mar 23, 2002 Posts: 1899	H hanford_lemoore Posted posted on Fri, Sep 2, 2005 5:37 PM I'd like to take this time to address the recent Beyond Tiki change. First off, for anyone who has not read it elsewhere, Beyond Tiki and Bilge are back. I want to thank everyone for their impassioned outpouring on this issue. I asked for candid opinions, and I got them. On a personal note, I'd like to thank people who chimed in with support of me even when they were not in support of the change. Why did you make the change before asking for people's thoughts on the subject? Let me try to answer this as concisely as possible: Because if it didn't work, I knew I could change them back. This has happened before with other changes (like automatic-goto-new-post that I launched then removed). Some things need to be actually experienced. It is easy to argue the pros and cons of any proposed idea, but hard to argue against the real results of actually trying it out. I never had any idea that implementing the change would cause the outpouring it did. I didn't foresee it causing any grief for anyone. What happens now? I have reverted the changes so the forums are back to normal. I have made some small formatting changes to the TC homepage to de-emphasize the off-topic forums. I also have been planning other efforts to help bring more Tiki to Tiki Central. Don't worry, none of them will be anything like this! What was your intention? A few users charged me with using the change as a way to segregate TC and create some sort of second-class citizenship. To that I say those charges are simply unfounded. My intention was, and always has been, to make Tiki Central a better place for tiki information and for tikiphiles around the world. Am I correct 100% of the time? Of course not! But I hope my track record of improvements to the site, my donations and support to outside events and projects, and overall support of the community shows that my heart is in the right place. Thanks for reading. ~Hanford [ Edited by: hanford_lemoore 2005-09-02 18:44 ]

I'd like to take this time to address the recent Beyond Tiki change.

First off, for anyone who has not read it elsewhere, Beyond Tiki and Bilge are back. I want to thank everyone for their impassioned outpouring on this issue. I asked for candid opinions, and I got them.

On a personal note, I'd like to thank people who chimed in with support of me even when they were not in support of the change.

Why did you make the change before asking for people's thoughts on the subject?

Let me try to answer this as concisely as possible:

Because if it didn't work, I knew I could change them back. This has happened before with other changes (like automatic-goto-new-post that I launched then removed).
Some things need to be actually experienced. It is easy to argue the pros and cons of any proposed idea, but hard to argue against the real results of actually trying it out.
I never had any idea that implementing the change would cause the outpouring it did. I didn't foresee it causing any grief for anyone.

What happens now?

I have reverted the changes so the forums are back to normal.
I have made some small formatting changes to the TC homepage to de-emphasize the off-topic forums.
I also have been planning other efforts to help bring more Tiki to Tiki Central. Don't worry, none of them will be anything like this!

What was your intention?

A few users charged me with using the change as a way to segregate TC and create some sort of second-class citizenship. To that I say those charges are simply unfounded. My intention was, and always has been, to make Tiki Central a better place for tiki information and for tikiphiles around the world. Am I correct 100% of the time? Of course not! But I hope my track record of improvements to the site, my donations and support to outside events and projects, and overall support of the community shows that my heart is in the right place.

Thanks for reading.

~Hanford

[ Edited by: hanford_lemoore 2005-09-02 18:44 ]

Post #184014 by hanford_lemoore on Fri, Sep 2, 2005 5:37 PM