Post #235070 by caerthe on Wed, May 31, 2006 3:20 PM

Well well Ahu,

I made my attempt for us to both "live long and prosper", but apparently you don't want that. In fact, it turns out, that you've been wanting to debate an entirely different thread.

Poor boy. Couldn't stick to the subject at hand. Well the nice thing is that there's now medicine for that problem.

Well thanks to your insightful Trekkie analogy, I now know what you want to talk about.

Tell me this. Since you've made it very clear that one must have a certain level of specialized tiki experience (is there a tiki black belt or merit badge perhaps?) or permission from on-high in order to ask questions, who gave the first Trekkie or Tiki event coordinators the permission to hold the first events?

I've got time.

Please, take a minute if you must.

Sorry, your time is up.

The answer is-Nobody.

These people had a passion, thought they could do something about it, closed their ears to the nay-sayers and did it. Furthermore, most probably didn't have much skill at event coordinating to begin with. They simply built something and improved it with every new event, while gaining experience along the way.

Good for them and I mean that sincerely.

Now I've come along, see a need in my own community and have begun to ask questions. Is that wrong? Nope. Apparently to you, but not really. Did many of the now established Trekkie or Tiki event coordinators travel all over the country before creating their own events? Probably a few, y'know the "Jonny Come Lately's", but more than likely not the true pioneers, also known as "trekkers" by some. Did they ask questions of their peers? Probably not a lot at first. Time was needed to create a pool of experience to draw from, in addition for these peers to discover and connect with one another. Most were also probably too busy with their own respective projects and probably didn't have the time or the $ for travel. At least not at first, I think. Creating events takes a lot of energy and time, I know this from extensive experience.

They took what they did know, shot from the hip and built something great. So now, as the years have passed, they've become the establishment. Some have remembered their roots and understand the organic nature of both the culture and their business while others have either become used to telling their customers what they want or have just become too tired to entertain new ideas or try new things. Along I come and, because of my background, begin to ask questions of the public on what they want to see in a tiki event or how they encourage tiki awareness. Essentially, I've been simply asking what do the people think, what do they want and what they are doing to keep tiki alive and growing.

Apparently, at least from some of my experiences on this list, I've done a very bad thing.

I appreciate that Jonny-Dollar has informed us all that you're an intricate part in a new major Tiki event in Ohio. Makes a lot more sense to me why you and the same gang of names have been posting to my threads. I say gang because that's what is happening, isn't it? I somehow hurt the feelings of one of your pals. He came crawling back to your little troupe, with the "owee" I gave him (quite unintentionally, I might add) and now your group has an axe to grind with me. Not one you want to address privately either. Nosiree, intimidation is the key here, so make it as public as possible. The more trouncing of people who ask questions and challenge perceptions, the less work for you in the long run. But now I'm speaking with the leader of this little gang, aren't I?

The hired hands didn't get me or deter me, so now the boss has come out to take his shot. Only the boss has nothing better than Star Trek analogies, sexual fantasies about Madonna (not to mention her teeth) and childish insults about who was first in line. Pathetic. When it comes down to it, you're nothing more than an angry old man, waving his fists at the cars for moving so fast and screaming out against progress.

A bit of advice, to you and your company Ahu. Don't dis enthusiasm and progress, it only points out how much of a stick in the mud you are and what you're willing to do in order to keep your particular vision THE only vision.

Regarding this thread. I'm also glad you're drawing so much attention to it. It's nice to know that people will now have an excellent idea of some of the kind of minds that are involved in this Ohio event. Nice also that people can see, through these posts, exactly what atmosphere they'll experience when they visit your little shin-dig. I guess if you're really into the "it's always easier to be told what to think and how to act than to figure it out for yourself and learn from others" scene, it's gonna be groovy. I, for one, am not into that scene and when I do make it to a tiki event, one that I don't create myself, I think I'll shoot for something a little more fun.

Mahalo to you and your ilk Ahu.

You're old news to me.

"It's kind of fun to do the impossible"
-Walt Disney

[ Edited by: caerthe 2006-05-31 15:26 ]