Is this politics or art? (POLITICS, READ AT OWN RISK) - Beyond Tiki

T TheMuggler Tiki Socialite Brooklyn, NY Joined: Mar 26, 2002 Posts: 293	T TheMuggler Posted posted on Thu, Feb 27, 2003 7:46 AM On 2003-02-26 23:33, floratina wrote: To TheMuggler I must ask, where were all the liberals when Clinton went into Bosnia without UN approval? They weren't marching in the streets then. How about when Clinton fired cruise missiles into Iraq? Silence. Uhhh, I thought I explained that in a previous post. If it is still unclear let me know and I'll try again. As for cruise missles into Iraq, there was plenty of outrage from the left, it just never took the form of protests in the streets because launching some cruise missles and shipping out your friends and neighbors to fight a war with questionable motives warrant different responses. Pick up any issue of THE NATION from the Clinton presidency and you will see nothing but criticism from the progressive left (the majority of the protestors). These protesters appear to be less "anti-war" than they are anti-Bush / anti-Conservative / anti- capitalist. I didn't see too many signs at these rallies demanding that Hussein account for his biological weapons or demanding that he disarm, much less complain about his human rights abuses! Instead they were holding aloft signs with a Hitler-moustachioed Bush. Very telling. It's only okay to mount a military action if it is done by a liberal. This is a simplistic portrayal of a large group of people. Kinda like saying all conservatives are fat, wealthy, ethically challenged businessmen who hide behind the "moral" cover of religion to justify their tax cuts for the wealthy and total lack of concern for anything or anyone other than making money. Neither representation is remotely true (although there are plenty of both types in each group). I was at an anti-war rally and myself and many others gave a woman carrying a sign that compared Bush to Hitler a VERY hard time about it. The fact is there ARE many people who are against the war because it is led by Bush. Just as there are MANY people who have no understanding of the situation and support the war simply because Bush is for it. Unthinking party-liners exist on both sides -- I said that earlier but I guess it bears repeating. I can assure you that NO ONE on the left "supports" Hussein. Hussein is clearly an evil man. The issue isn't WHETHER to deal with him, it is HOW we deal with him. THAT is why the protests center on the Bush administration. I think EVERYONE agrees that the world would be a better place without Hussein. As for "anti-capitalist" that's just another simple stereotype that ignores the real issues in favor of a nice slogan that sounds good coming out of Rush Limbaugh's mouth. The (left of center) Muggler Eye-popping fun! [ Edited by: TheMuggler on 2003-02-27 12:13 ]

On 2003-02-26 23:33, floratina wrote:
To TheMuggler I must ask, where were all the liberals when Clinton went into Bosnia without UN approval? They weren't marching in the streets then. How about when Clinton fired cruise missiles into Iraq? Silence.

Uhhh, I thought I explained that in a previous post. If it is still unclear let me know and I'll try again.

As for cruise missles into Iraq, there was plenty of outrage from the left, it just never took the form of protests in the streets because launching some cruise missles and shipping out your friends and neighbors to fight a war with questionable motives warrant different responses. Pick up any issue of THE NATION from the Clinton presidency and you will see nothing but criticism from the progressive left (the majority of the protestors).

These protesters appear to be less "anti-war" than they are anti-Bush / anti-Conservative / anti- capitalist. I didn't see too many signs at these rallies demanding that Hussein account for his biological weapons or demanding that he disarm, much less complain about his human rights abuses! Instead they were holding aloft signs with a Hitler-moustachioed Bush. Very telling. It's only okay to mount a military action if it is done by a liberal.

This is a simplistic portrayal of a large group of people. Kinda like saying all conservatives are fat, wealthy, ethically challenged businessmen who hide behind the "moral" cover of religion to justify their tax cuts for the wealthy and total lack of concern for anything or anyone other than making money.

Neither representation is remotely true (although there are plenty of both types in each group).

I was at an anti-war rally and myself and many others gave a woman carrying a sign that compared Bush to Hitler a VERY hard time about it.

The fact is there ARE many people who are against the war because it is led by Bush. Just as there are MANY people who have no understanding of the situation and support the war simply because Bush is for it. Unthinking party-liners exist on both sides -- I said that earlier but I guess it bears repeating.

I can assure you that NO ONE on the left "supports" Hussein. Hussein is clearly an evil man. The issue isn't WHETHER to deal with him, it is HOW we deal with him. THAT is why the protests center on the Bush administration. I think EVERYONE agrees that the world would be a better place without Hussein.

As for "anti-capitalist" that's just another simple stereotype that ignores the real issues in favor of a nice slogan that sounds good coming out of Rush Limbaugh's mouth.

The (left of center) Muggler

Eye-popping fun!

[ Edited by: TheMuggler on 2003-02-27 12:13 ]

Post #24608 by TheMuggler on Thu, Feb 27, 2003 7:46 AM