That's just wrong! The un-Tiki thread: - General Tiki

B bigbrotiki Tiki Socialite Tiki Island, above the Silverlake Joined: Mar 25, 2002 Posts: 11621	B bigbrotiki Posted posted on Mon, Aug 7, 2006 2:28 AM On 2006-08-06 20:46, KuKuAhu wrote: So every time you come on and tell us how you defined it as a style, it smacks of ownership. That is why DAVID hounds you. That is why Rodeo has his jockeys twisted, and I frankly get bored of reading it again and again. Reading it AGAIN AND AGAIN...I am really sorry, all, I truly thought I had not done that THAT much. I really can't tell if I DID, or if some just FEEL I did. I know that I like adding information to posts where, when I find subject matter or images here that are also in the BOT, I refer to the page number where it can be found for reference, but that was because a.) I feel I know the book better than anybody, and b.) it was an easy way around image posting, which previously gave me such a hard time. Is that what you refer to? Others have done that too, and they don't seem to claim ownership. I recoil in horror at the thought that EACH time I did that I came across as a Know-it-all, been-there-done-that hoity-toity. For me it was just the joy of having found a related item and being able to add to the information. What I know I AM guilty off, as I said earlier, is being too involved, engaged, and passionate about Tiki, which leads to being opinionated sometimes, but which should be understandable considering I wrote the book (there, I said it again!). For some, my posts might seem to have the tone of "I wrote the book" hovering over them, even if I don't say it outright, I apologize if they do. But it might just be the knowledge that I did that taints them in the mind of reader. And really don't think I stated I OWN the subject either, I think I made it clear repeatedly that I don't mind if people use imagery from the book. On the contrary, I am THRILLED to see images from it used in so many ways! But then, should I refrain from noting that, and instead deny it by saying "...oh they must have gotten it from some other place.."? The problem Sven, is not that you wrote the book. It is the near constant reminders here and the fact that it always reads as if tiki started with you penning the BOT. I know there is a fair number of old time, pre-BOT Tiki aficionados and collectors on this board, and I think it might be frustrating for them sometimes to have been in on it way ahead of the pack and not having a way of getting acknowledged for that. And it might feel unfair that I come along and seemingly get all the glory of discovery. But the fact simply is that, on a scale where it matters in contemporary pop culture, and to more people than not here, Tiki DID not exist until the BOT came out. Not only had it been completely forgotten (other than by the aforementioned aficionados), it simply never had been recognized and defined in its own heyday! That was done by the BOT only. Many might feel that this is outrageous, Napoleon-esque self-aggrandizement on my part, but it is what it is. I don't know what to do about that other than take my book back, and never mention it again. Which I can't, physically...both! It is too late, arrrgh, it's in my blood...! But I hope my un-humble self will be able to refrain from those NEAR CONSTANT REMINDERS! Sigh, what was this post about again?

On 2006-08-06 20:46, KuKuAhu wrote:
So every time you come on and tell us how you defined it as a style, it smacks of ownership.
That is why DAVID hounds you. That is why Rodeo has his jockeys twisted, and I frankly get bored of reading it again and again.

Reading it AGAIN AND AGAIN...I am really sorry, all, I truly thought I had not done that THAT much. I really can't tell if I DID, or if some just FEEL I did.

I know that I like adding information to posts where, when I find subject matter or images here that are also in the BOT, I refer to the page number where it can be found for reference, but that was because a.) I feel I know the book better than anybody, and b.) it was an easy way around image posting, which previously gave me such a hard time. Is that what you refer to? Others have done that too, and they don't seem to claim ownership.

I recoil in horror at the thought that EACH time I did that I came across as a Know-it-all, been-there-done-that hoity-toity. For me it was just the joy of having found a related item and being able to add to the information.

What I know I AM guilty off, as I said earlier, is being too involved, engaged, and passionate about Tiki, which leads to being opinionated sometimes, but which should be understandable considering I wrote the book (there, I said it again!). For some, my posts might seem to have the tone of "I wrote the book" hovering over them, even if I don't say it outright, I apologize if they do. But it might just be the knowledge that I did that taints them in the mind of reader.

And really don't think I stated I OWN the subject either, I think I made it clear repeatedly that I don't mind if people use imagery from the book. On the contrary, I am THRILLED to see images from it used in so many ways! But then, should I refrain from noting that, and instead deny it by saying "...oh they must have gotten it from some other place.."?

The problem Sven, is not that you wrote the book. It is the near constant reminders here and the fact that it always reads as if tiki started with you penning the BOT.

I know there is a fair number of old time, pre-BOT Tiki aficionados and collectors on this board, and I think it might be frustrating for them sometimes to have been in on it way ahead of the pack and not having a way of getting acknowledged for that. And it might feel unfair that I come along and seemingly get all the glory of discovery.

But the fact simply is that, on a scale where it matters in contemporary pop culture, and to more people than not here, Tiki DID not exist until the BOT came out. Not only had it been completely forgotten (other than by the aforementioned aficionados), it simply never had been recognized and defined in its own heyday! That was done by the BOT only. Many might feel that this is outrageous, Napoleon-esque self-aggrandizement on my part, but it is what it is.

I don't know what to do about that other than take my book back, and never mention it again. Which I can't, physically...both! It is too late, arrrgh, it's in my blood...! But I hope my un-humble self will be able to refrain from those NEAR CONSTANT REMINDERS!

Sigh, what was this post about again?

Post #247300 by bigbrotiki on Mon, Aug 7, 2006 2:28 AM