Is this politics or art? (POLITICS, READ AT OWN RISK) - Beyond Tiki

E emspace Member Vancouver Joined: Jan 05, 2003 Posts: 879	E emspace Posted posted on Mon, Mar 10, 2003 12:37 PM On 2003-03-08 23:57, A6Louie wrote: What's funniest to me about these sorts of discussions is that both sides believe they "know" the facts[ Edited by: A6Louie on 2003-03-09 00:02 ] Yes, yes, YES!!! A6, you are a heretic, and in the best way possible! You are echoing exactly what I've been trying to tell the knee-jerk anti-Americans around here, with their ludicrous self-righteousness and certainty that they have the Facts and are smugly occupying the moral high ground. What, do they know Saddam and Uday personally? Do they know Mr. Bush, have intimate conversations with Donald Rumsfeld? KRAP!!! They have the same info as everyone else (unless they're certifiably paranoid, which there's nothing anyone can do about), but they filter it through their biases and have their minds made up LONG before any war even breaks out. Mostly, they just parrot sixth-hand propaganda, but feelthey must have thought of it themselves. That's the beauty of propaganda. I for one am sick of this self-righteous "I have the Truth" pose; it's especially galling because when I was a dumb kid I used to behave like that, and long ago made the stunning discovery that people mature enough to admit they DON'T have all the answers found it really annoying and were embarrassed for me. Now it's not only common but de rigeur for grown adults to shriek their "truth" in the face of anyone who'll spare the time to listen, and moreoever, expect you to agree; in fact if you don't agree, you're a "Fascist", a "hawk", a "gun nut","ignorant trailer trash". The death of dialog and the imposition of a guilt-based system of psychic repression requiring nothing less than absolute conformity and obedience. How the hell did we ever let "give peace a chance" come to this? Where successful people are reviled, "property is theft", and people feel they have the right to tell each other what kind of car to drive? This constant, insistent intrusion into our private lives by complete strangers - how the hell did we let it happen? just utterly dismayed, emspace :-?

On 2003-03-08 23:57, A6Louie wrote:
What's funniest to me about these sorts of discussions is that both sides believe they "know" the facts[ Edited by: A6Louie on 2003-03-09 00:02 ]

Yes, yes, YES!!! A6, you are a heretic, and in the best way possible! You are echoing exactly what I've been trying to tell the knee-jerk anti-Americans around here, with their ludicrous self-righteousness and certainty that they have the Facts and are smugly occupying the moral high ground.

What, do they know Saddam and Uday personally? Do they know Mr. Bush, have intimate conversations with Donald Rumsfeld? KRAP!!! They have the same info as everyone else (unless they're certifiably paranoid, which there's nothing anyone can do about), but they filter it through their biases and have their minds made up LONG before any war even breaks out. Mostly, they just parrot sixth-hand propaganda, but feelthey must have thought of it themselves. That's the beauty of propaganda.

I for one am sick of this self-righteous "I have the Truth" pose; it's especially galling because when I was a dumb kid I used to behave like that, and long ago made the stunning discovery that people mature enough to admit they DON'T have all the answers found it really annoying and were embarrassed for me. Now it's not only common but de rigeur for grown adults to shriek their "truth" in the face of anyone who'll spare the time to listen, and moreoever, expect you to agree; in fact if you don't agree, you're a "Fascist", a "hawk", a "gun nut","ignorant trailer trash". The death of dialog and the imposition of a guilt-based system of psychic repression requiring nothing less than absolute conformity and obedience.

How the hell did we ever let "give peace a chance" come to this? Where successful people are reviled, "property is theft", and people feel they have the right to tell each other what kind of car to drive? This constant, insistent intrusion into our private lives by complete strangers - how the hell did we let it happen?

just utterly dismayed,
emspace :-?

Post #25989 by emspace on Mon, Mar 10, 2003 12:37 PM