Post #293169 by Tipsy McStagger on Mon, Mar 19, 2007 6:28 PM

On 2007-03-19 17:12, Tiki Diablo wrote:

On 2007-03-19 09:56, Tipsy McStagger wrote:

On 2007-03-19 09:12, Tiki Diablo wrote:
It's TIKI, you are supposed to borrow stuff. Been going on since the heyday

...not when it's someone else's copyright!!...not when you a)didn't ask permission and b)didn't compensate the owner of said copyright....in case you weren't aware, there are laws against copyright infringement.....perhaps you would feel differently if i took your tiki carvings and such, copied them in china and sold them myself, not giving you a single dime or a thank you!!....and when you called me up to bitch about me stealing your ideas i can say "oh it's okay...everyone borrows!! it's tiki after all!!".....you got some weird logic going on, my man....it's that cavalier attitude of not having respect for another designers ideas that allows theft to proliferate....it sounds as if from your statement above, that you are almost encouraging people to steal....nice!!

..and yes, it's been going on since the heyday, but you don't know if the owners of certain designs didn't legally go after those infringers either....

big companies often feel they can use another's ideas because they may feel that the individual or small company doesn't have the time, money and or legal capacity to be able to stop them, so they continue to steal, knowing full well what they are doing....

and my contract with ms. crowell is restricted only to 3 dimensional representations of elviki..i have no authority over any 2-dimensional representations of her work, however, hearing that the artwork was directly lifted off the box art that i had specifically designed, i am obligated to get involved....cindy is also a friend of mine and i help her out with these issues when possible.

now...if you'll excuse me....i have a birdhouse to purchase somewhere in this town...

Teakey, I enjoy a lil friendly competition, bring your A game though.

Tipsy, just pointing out that you are complaining about not being asked permission to use a design that somebody came across while trying to bring a product to market. You are just sounding hypocritical to me. You borrow, I borrow, 99% of art is borrowed in one form or another.

I have been in this situation a few times, and am not by any means encouraging everyone to rip each other off. Is it going to happen to some degree, Yes, can't stop that. I guess you have to chose your battles, because you won't win them all.

Artist are not going to ask permission first to use an idea or image for their own subject material all the time. They might say" the place has closed down now" or The guy that drew that is probably long dead" But I'll check first and wait to hear from them before I do my thing.

Maybe you did ask first on stuff like this..

https://tikicentral.com/uploads/2706/45ecb732.jpg

https://tikicentral.com/uploads/2706/45de3f4e.jpg

Now that I have got your juices flowing , go win that fight! errr the one with the other guys,.... not me. :wink:

I was waiting for someone to take the bait with that aku-aku- sign....

.first of all, after a certain amount of time elapses, some things become public domain...vinatge tiki signs are a great example...yes, odds are that the owners/designers are probably dead or dying, the company was dissolved, they went out of business or any number of things may have occured, but there is a double standard when it comes to art and producing product. most artists appropriate other work from their surrounding cultures/environments....if we didn't appropriate, alot of art would never have been created in the first place. But the difference between appropriating something from another source to use in a work of art that there will most likely be only one example created, and that of "borrowing" to make multiple items to bring to market to sell and profit off of is astonishingly clear. Furthermore, yes, artists do sell their work and both they and the galleries that represent them do profit......but only from a single sale. Most of the images artists use in their art, when they do appropriate them, is public domain, free for any to use, which is why it chaps my ass that with all the generic tiki clip art available on this planet that they could have used without infringing on someones idea, they had to go and use mine (cindy's).!!! I just don't get it...anyway, it's a complicated argument because each situation has to be viewed on an idividual basis...lot's of nuances and things...yadda, yadda.

Years ago i made a single lamp based on shag's tentacled moai character...it was a shown at La Luz gallery and it ended up selling.....but i made sure i had shag's blessing before i did anything. In fact, he was in the same show and people thought he made the lamp!!

on that note, i only started this thread to get some info...which i now have, not to get into a discourse on copyrights.