Sports Bar Using Torches from old Tiki Establishment!!! - General Tiki

B bigbrotiki Tiki Socialite Tiki Island, above the Silverlake Joined: Mar 25, 2002 Posts: 11621	B bigbrotiki Posted posted on Sat, Aug 4, 2007 8:35 AM I know! Negative stereotyping sucks! I am a victim of it myself whenever I watch Hogan's Heroes! Or when disrespectful posts like this pop up: http://www.tikicentral.com/viewtopic.php?topic=25103&forum=4 :) That is a pretty photo of a pretty mug there, Tikisox! To think that it all started with this guy: http://www.tikicentral.com/viewtopic.php?topic=24081&forum=1 I wonder how the Maori warrior who was depicted in the original ancestor carving that is now in the DeYoung Museum would feel about ending up as a cocktail mug. One can only hope that he would react in bemused disbelief, like I would. In my mind, the humorous thing about pop culture ARE the stereotypes, be they racial, political, sociological, or just aesthetic. As a matter of fact, that's what comedy is based on to a large degree. And right now this world is under a heavy weight by a whole bunch of people that do NOT have a sense of humor about what they believe themselves to be. So I am sorry if we come across like the Tiki Taliban, but the above images and history of the Mai-Khi just seem like such a perfect metaphor for the demise of Tiki culture, one just had to pounce on it. So when I use terms like "Tiki Devolution" and "Jimmy Buffet-ization" I do that in the context of The Book of Tiki, which describes the rise and fall of Tiki culture, revelling in the artistic intricasies of a pop culture that was never recognized as such. I can see how without the context of the Book, the attitudes here might appear ignorant. But after beholding it and realizing the incredible richness of the Tiki cult, the passionate reactions of some of the posters here will be able to be seen from a much more forgiving perspective. Forgive me if my assumption that you do not own the book is wrong, it is based on the fact that it is out of print for over a year now, and the observation that today many enter Tiki culture from other angles, thus lacking the historic context and visual horn of plenty that does convey what it once was. And when I use a term like "Idiocracy", I am referring to that damn funny movie that is unjustly underrated and unknown. :) Thank you for providing the inspiration for this rich discussion, this is the most fun I had on Tiki Central for a while!

I know! Negative stereotyping sucks! I am a victim of it myself whenever I watch Hogan's Heroes! Or when disrespectful posts like this pop up: http://www.tikicentral.com/viewtopic.php?topic=25103&forum=4 :)

That is a pretty photo of a pretty mug there, Tikisox! To think that it all started with this guy:
http://www.tikicentral.com/viewtopic.php?topic=24081&forum=1

I wonder how the Maori warrior who was depicted in the original ancestor carving that is now in the DeYoung Museum would feel about ending up as a cocktail mug. One can only hope that he would react in bemused disbelief, like I would.

In my mind, the humorous thing about pop culture ARE the stereotypes, be they racial, political, sociological, or just aesthetic. As a matter of fact, that's what comedy is based on to a large degree. And right now this world is under a heavy weight by a whole bunch of people that do NOT have a sense of humor about what they believe themselves to be. So I am sorry if we come across like the Tiki Taliban, but the above images and history of the Mai-Khi just seem like such a perfect metaphor for the demise of Tiki culture, one just had to pounce on it.

So when I use terms like "Tiki Devolution" and "Jimmy Buffet-ization" I do that in the context of The Book of Tiki, which describes the rise and fall of Tiki culture, revelling in the artistic intricasies of a pop culture that was never recognized as such. I can see how without the context of the Book, the attitudes here might appear ignorant. But after beholding it and realizing the incredible richness of the Tiki cult, the passionate reactions of some of the posters here will be able to be seen from a much more forgiving perspective.

Forgive me if my assumption that you do not own the book is wrong, it is based on the fact that it is out of print for over a year now, and the observation that today many enter Tiki culture from other angles, thus lacking the historic context and visual horn of plenty that does convey what it once was.

And when I use a term like "Idiocracy", I am referring to that damn funny movie that is unjustly underrated and unknown. :)

Thank you for providing the inspiration for this rich discussion, this is the most fun I had on Tiki Central for a while!

Post #323208 by bigbrotiki on Sat, Aug 4, 2007 8:35 AM