Playing copyrighted music in Trader Vic's - Tiki Music

K Kenike Tiki Socialite McKinney, TX Joined: Jul 24, 2003 Posts: 1207	K Kenike Posted posted on Mon, Aug 20, 2007 8:26 PM On 2007-08-20 19:59, Bohemiann wrote: O.K. ,,, I don't get it.. Copyright issues? Really ? Maybe I don't understand this copyright stuff but if they buy the CD can't they play it for their customers all day long. Have the lawyers destroyed America when I was sleeping it off ? That sounds so ....made up. It can't be true. I refuse to believe it. It's absolutely true...it falls under public broadcasting laws or something like that. Just like radio stations can't freely play music, they have to pay their fee. That be the law. On 2007-08-20 18:49, lucas vigor wrote: I feel your pain. However, the copyright laws may not be the whole story. The real story is that tiki music died a long time ago, and there are too few of us around that really enjoy it. That's why you will find tiki bars (even really good ones) playing anything but tiki. Unfortunately, to bring paying customers in, they have to pander to modern tastes. This is a hard lesson I learned on another thread, when I tried to give my opinion on this touchy subject. In the end, I had to concede that thank god there are even tiki bars left, so don't rock the boat. although tiki music died around 1964 (when rock music became the in thing) there are tons of modern day music that fits into that category that in my opinion could be played simply by having the permission of the artists (not huge record companies) given. Tikiyaki orchestra Fisherman Ape King Kukulele Mai-kai gents To name a few. In the end the end, though, the only way this thing will survive is if some tikiphile with money to spend buys one of these places and bans all forms of Jimmy Buffeteria and it's ilk. The music Trader Vic's is interested in playing is not really classic exotica...unless it has a little bit of a beat. In other words, they don't want anything thats going to "put people to sleep" as they put it. Nevertheless, there is PLENTY of exotica old and new that would work. The CD I gave them to check out included Tikiyaki Orchestra & Waitiki, but even though they're not tied to a recording label they are still considered published works, right? That would mean they can't "legally" be played in public...this is where I'm unclear. It doesn't matter whether the artist gives permission or not.

On 2007-08-20 19:59, Bohemiann wrote:
O.K. ,,, I don't get it.. Copyright issues? Really ? Maybe I don't understand this copyright stuff but if they buy the CD can't they play it for their customers all day long. Have the lawyers destroyed America when I was sleeping it off ?
That sounds so ....made up.
It can't be true.
I refuse to believe it.

It's absolutely true...it falls under public broadcasting laws or something like that. Just like radio stations can't freely play music, they have to pay their fee. That be the law.

On 2007-08-20 18:49, lucas vigor wrote:
I feel your pain.

However, the copyright laws may not be the whole story. The real story is that tiki music died a long time ago, and there are too few of us around that really enjoy it. That's why you will find tiki bars (even really good ones) playing anything but tiki. Unfortunately, to bring paying customers in, they have to pander to modern tastes. This is a hard lesson I learned on another thread, when I tried to give my opinion on this touchy subject. In the end, I had to concede that thank god there are even tiki bars left, so don't rock the boat.

although tiki music died around 1964 (when rock music became the in thing) there are tons of modern day music that fits into that category that in my opinion could be played simply by having the permission of the artists (not huge record companies) given.

Tikiyaki orchestra
Fisherman
Ape
King Kukulele
Mai-kai gents

To name a few.

In the end the end, though, the only way this thing will survive is if some tikiphile with money to spend buys one of these places and bans all forms of Jimmy Buffeteria and it's ilk.

The music Trader Vic's is interested in playing is not really classic exotica...unless it has a little bit of a beat. In other words, they don't want anything thats going to "put people to sleep" as they put it. Nevertheless, there is PLENTY of exotica old and new that would work.

The CD I gave them to check out included Tikiyaki Orchestra & Waitiki, but even though they're not tied to a recording label they are still considered published works, right? That would mean they can't "legally" be played in public...this is where I'm unclear. It doesn't matter whether the artist gives permission or not.

Post #326888 by Kenike on Mon, Aug 20, 2007 8:26 PM