Diligence is required sooner rather than later - Tiki Music

B basilh Member United Kingdom Joined: Aug 19, 2007 Posts: 70	B basilh Posted posted on Wed, Jan 16, 2008 5:44 PM I started the thread and qualified it's content by the observation "As well as Trad. Hawaiian Melodies, the Tin Pan Alley/Hollywood and Hapa Haole ones need to be preserved." YOU may introduce Jazz into the genre being discussed, but I think you're using that as a justification for YOUR lack of diligence in the likes of your version of Adventures in Paradise. The introduction of "Exotica" and "Jazz" into a discussion that was intended to be about traditional and Hapa Haole Hawaiian music, is, in my opinion a 'Red Herring' I has NEVER been the norm to significantly alter words, chords or general intent in the regular commercial field of Hawaiian recordings. I found a snippet of the original recording online: http://capitainetroy.free.fr/sons/TV_theme.mp3 With this version you can still sing the lyrics along with it so I'd say it's close to the composer's intended canvas. WHEREAS with your version, beautifully recorded (Technically) and with obvious intent, the melody is incorrect as are the chords. As nice as it is, I find it lacking depth in the study of the chord and melodic structure of the original. What did you find difficult in using the "Correct" Chords?. The substitutes are weaker and take away from the dramatic intent of the chordal changes and timbre'.. Of course that's just my opinion and for obvious reasons you have a different one to mine. As Jeff Au Hoy said, he even visits with the composers to get their intent regarding interpretation (That's diligence). Some of us CAN envisage the original intent, we were born with that faculty, it's not easily learned. There are those who are 'tone Deaf' and rhythmically incompetent who will NEVER be able to sing or dance, on the other hand their are those who were born with an understanding that's impossible to learn or even describe accurately. Lying somewhere in between is the general public. A good producer is one who can recognize the level of the average listener and pander to it, it's been a long proven fact that to try and educate the public to your own way of thinking only results in the public educating you. Regarding that understanding to which I refer, just listen to the Nelson Riddle arrangement of Bing Crosby's version of the song. Click Here

I started the thread and qualified it's content by the observation "As well as Trad. Hawaiian Melodies, the Tin Pan Alley/Hollywood and Hapa Haole ones need to be preserved."

YOU may introduce Jazz into the genre being discussed, but I think you're using that as a justification for YOUR lack of diligence in the likes of your version of Adventures in Paradise.
The introduction of "Exotica" and "Jazz" into a discussion that was intended to be about traditional and Hapa Haole Hawaiian music, is, in my opinion a 'Red Herring'
I has NEVER been the norm to significantly alter words, chords or general intent in the regular commercial field of Hawaiian recordings.

I found a snippet of the original recording online: http://capitainetroy.free.fr/sons/TV_theme.mp3

With this version you can still sing the lyrics along with it so I'd say it's close to the composer's intended canvas.

WHEREAS with your version, beautifully recorded (Technically) and with obvious intent, the melody is incorrect as are the chords. As nice as it is, I find it lacking depth in the study of the chord and melodic structure of the original. What did you find difficult in using the "Correct" Chords?. The substitutes are weaker and take away from the dramatic intent of the chordal changes and timbre'..

Of course that's just my opinion and for obvious reasons you have a different one to mine.

As Jeff Au Hoy said, he even visits with the composers to get their intent regarding interpretation (That's diligence). Some of us CAN envisage the original intent, we were born with that faculty, it's not easily learned.

There are those who are 'tone Deaf' and rhythmically incompetent who will NEVER be able to sing or dance, on the other hand their are those who were born with an understanding that's impossible to learn or even describe accurately. Lying somewhere in between is the general public.
A good producer is one who can recognize the level of the average listener and pander to it, it's been a long proven fact that to try and educate the public to your own way of thinking only results in the public educating you.

Regarding that understanding to which I refer, just listen to the Nelson Riddle arrangement of Bing Crosby's version of the song.
Click Here

Post #355383 by basilh on Wed, Jan 16, 2008 5:44 PM