Diligence is required sooner rather than later - Tiki Music

TM tiki mick Tiki Socialite SOCAL Joined: May 12, 2004 Posts: 4105	TM tiki mick Posted posted on Wed, Jul 9, 2008 11:31 AM On 2008-07-08 18:48, Kaiwaza wrote: As far as I'm concerned, you have my blessing to do anything you want to to any "standard." I mean, how many thousands of versions of Hawaiian Wedding Song, all nearly alike, do we need? Hawaiian War chant is a GREAT example of a "standard" that is commonly played with, changed, altered, and it makes it interesting. I'm particularly fond of the changes made by The Waikikis is their version..called "Waikiki Wedding", and the Waikiki Beach Boys version from their "Breeze of Hawaii" LP. But there are literally HUNDREDS of variations out there that are quite different from one another. Most of the artists have NO CLUE what they lyrics originally meant. The Hawaiian lyrics of "Hawaiian Wedding Song" have no relationship to the well known English lyrics...so, which set do you feel you need to understand to record the song instrumentally? I mean, look at what Martin Denny did to "Sentimental Journey". You could say he massaccred it...yet, I LOVE his rendition. I have pretty strong opinions on this issue (I butted heads with Jerry Byrd the short time I took steel lesons with him on this issue). But musical expression is about YOUR feelings & thoughts...YOURS as an artist. Maybe so-and-so felt a certain way & wrote a song that particular way. Well, maybe I feel differently and I like it THIS way. Then, by God, I'll PLAY it that way. I don't need to know what they were thinking about. Some people will ressonate with your expression & others won't...just likethe original performers/composers. Could it be that there are cases where the later versions of the song far exceed the original performance? In my opinion, pretty much every beatle song sounds better when re-arranged and sung by someone else. Sergio Mendes does the Beatles better then they do, in my opinion. In other cases, I quite agree with not tampering with perfection. For example, no one could ever duplicate Bill Haley's "rock around the clock" and get it 100% right. But either way, the original poster (who ressurected this thread 7 months after the fact) really came across as lecturing and pontificating from the start, and I say Bullocks to that! My point was; who really cares if a song was played slightly wrong? In the end, it does not matter. Only musicians (or very musically inclined non-musicians) will ever hear the subtle differences BasilH appears to be talking about. In the end, I am a Uruguayan, and he is British...we should just leave it at that. That's right, Uruguay. The land of beef, beautiful estancias and Rugby players who eat their own dead.

On 2008-07-08 18:48, Kaiwaza wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, you have my blessing to do anything you want to to any "standard." I mean, how many thousands of versions of Hawaiian Wedding Song, all nearly alike, do we need?
Hawaiian War chant is a GREAT example of a "standard" that is commonly played with, changed, altered, and it makes it interesting. I'm particularly fond of the changes made by The Waikikis is their version..called "Waikiki Wedding", and the Waikiki Beach Boys version from their "Breeze of Hawaii" LP. But there are literally HUNDREDS of variations out there that are quite different from one another. Most of the artists have NO CLUE what they lyrics originally meant.
The Hawaiian lyrics of "Hawaiian Wedding Song" have no relationship to the well known English lyrics...so, which set do you feel you need to understand to record the song instrumentally?
I mean, look at what Martin Denny did to "Sentimental Journey". You could say he massaccred it...yet, I LOVE his rendition.
I have pretty strong opinions on this issue (I butted heads with Jerry Byrd the short time I took steel lesons with him on this issue). But musical expression is about YOUR feelings & thoughts...YOURS as an artist. Maybe so-and-so felt a certain way & wrote a song that particular way. Well, maybe I feel differently and I like it THIS way. Then, by God, I'll PLAY it that way. I don't need to know what they were thinking about. Some people will ressonate with your expression & others won't...just likethe original performers/composers.

Could it be that there are cases where the later versions of the song far exceed the original performance? In my opinion, pretty much every beatle song sounds better when re-arranged and sung by someone else. Sergio Mendes does the Beatles better then they do, in my opinion. In other cases, I quite agree with not tampering with perfection. For example, no one could ever duplicate Bill Haley's "rock around the clock" and get it 100% right. But either way, the original poster (who ressurected this thread 7 months after the fact) really came across as lecturing and pontificating from the start, and I say Bullocks to that! My point was; who really cares if a song was played slightly wrong? In the end, it does not matter. Only musicians (or very musically inclined non-musicians) will ever hear the subtle differences BasilH appears to be talking about.

In the end, I am a Uruguayan, and he is British...we should just leave it at that. That's right, Uruguay. The land of beef, beautiful estancias and Rugby players who eat their own dead.

Post #392733 by tiki mick on Wed, Jul 9, 2008 11:31 AM