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C Clarita Member BA Arg Joined: Sep 26, 2006 Posts: 1301	C Clarita Posted posted on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:32 PM This is a very interesting and complicated topic to me, i think a lot about this too.. what confuses me the most about tiki in general is that it has a big component of paradise, people is drove to it, because it makes you think of perfect times, in perfect places, were you can live naked and get food from a tree (a return to the basis and happiness)... but on the other hand, old Hawaiian kapu system had nothing to do with that...and the golden tiki restaurants era, bring in me equally mixed feelings. because they were supposed to represent paradise, but they were for Hollywood stars and they were made by using sacred stuff to other cultures to make bars... so little by little the younger people started not liking them... what's going on now, well i see a lot of artists trying to have their own style inspired by tiki but making their own designs... About what hewey was asking, the objective should be to scape to paradise... I do get that shallow feeling he was talking about some times and it makes me think, if tiki maybe it's a limited style, so that's why it would be difficult to make grabing balls art out of it... But here's an other point of view... I have this young idealistic sculptor friend that is trying to make grabing ball art, art that would kick you and make you think.. so he does screaming desperate zombies, when you see them you get exactly the feeling young people have here, having no future, no possibilities of progress, specially if you are an artist... so i get what he is trying to do... the thing is, that then, he don't want to keep them, because they are vomits of his anger... he wants to exchange them for my shallow "tikis"... so what's my point for making my sort of "tikis"? that you can be the sort of artist that reflects the reality you live in, that's fine, it's one of the strong objectives of art, (but aren't you adding to the general despair? making the world even more desperate and ugly? he didn't thought of that, he was just reflecting what he see) I use to make gargoyles they reflected my fears, but they were colourful too, representing my hopes , but i thought about what they represent by them selves, and I didn't wanted to keep going... so now I'm trying to make stuff that represents the way i would want things to be, i'm trying to make interesting, warm but a little scary "tikis" is true that they are not fine art, maybe nothing on the tiki culture can turn in to a fine art, but the difference to me between one tiki artist and an other, is that you can see how much love and innovation they put in to their work, so there are tikis and tikis maybe they are all tikis but only some of them represents the artist that made them, and add something to the table... I've seen stuff refer as KU that were a pole with eyes... and then there's Crazy Al for example that you can see that even he is trying to make a Hawaiian god he puts so much care and twist that i would call it a Crazy Al, more than a ku.... so i think that to make tiki art meaningful specially because it comes from a not very nice thing, the important thing would be to try to make your OWN paradise in the way, and share that with the world... that's why i do it... My Space [ Edited by: Clarita 2009-06-25 15:38 ]

This is a very interesting and complicated topic to me, i think a lot about this too..
what confuses me the most about tiki in general is that it has a big component of paradise, people is drove to it, because it makes you think of perfect times, in perfect places, were you can live naked and get food from a tree (a return to the basis and happiness)... but on the other hand, old Hawaiian kapu system had nothing to do with that...and the golden tiki restaurants era, bring in me equally mixed feelings. because they were supposed to represent paradise, but they were for Hollywood stars and they were made by using sacred stuff to other cultures to make bars... so little by little the younger people started not liking them...
what's going on now, well i see a lot of artists trying to have their own style inspired by tiki but making their own designs...
About what hewey was asking, the objective should be to scape to paradise... I do get that shallow feeling he was talking about some times and it makes me think, if tiki maybe it's a limited style, so that's why it would be difficult to make grabing balls art out of it...
But here's an other point of view...
I have this young idealistic sculptor friend that is trying to make grabing ball art, art that would kick you and make you think.. so he does screaming desperate zombies, when you see them you get exactly the feeling young people have here, having no future, no possibilities of progress, specially if you are an artist... so i get what he is trying to do... the thing is, that then, he don't want to keep them, because they are vomits of his anger... he wants to exchange them for my shallow "tikis"...
so what's my point for making my sort of "tikis"? that you can be the sort of artist that reflects the reality you live in, that's fine, it's one of the strong objectives of art, (but aren't you adding to the general despair? making the world even more desperate and ugly? he didn't thought of that, he was just reflecting what he see)
I use to make gargoyles they reflected my fears, but they were colourful too, representing my hopes , but i thought about what they represent by them selves, and I didn't wanted to keep going...
so now I'm trying to make stuff that represents the way i would want things to be, i'm trying to make interesting, warm but a little scary "tikis" is true that they are not fine art, maybe nothing on the tiki culture can turn in to a fine art, but the difference to me between one tiki artist and an other, is that you can see how much love and innovation they put in to their work, so there are tikis and tikis maybe they are all tikis but only some of them represents the artist that made them, and add something to the table...
I've seen stuff refer as KU that were a pole with eyes... and then there's Crazy Al for example that you can see that even he is trying to make a Hawaiian god he puts so much care and twist that i would call it a Crazy Al, more than a ku....
so i think that to make tiki art meaningful specially because it comes from a not very nice thing, the important thing would be to try to make your OWN paradise in the way, and share that with the world... that's why i do it...

My Space

[ Edited by: Clarita 2009-06-25 15:38 ]

Post #464602 by Clarita on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:32 PM