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BVT Baron von Tiki Member Wichita KS Joined: Mar 09, 2010 Posts: 86	BVT Baron von Tiki Posted posted on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:12 PM On 2010-08-16 22:26, bigbrotiki wrote: I think the key for the difference between classic Tiki and revival Tiki lies in the fact that the concept of "pop culture" did not exist in the 50s and early 60s -that's why Tiki style could not be recognized as such in its heyday. Pop culture, the lifting up of low art to high art, was introduced with the phenomenon of the Beatles and their generation. Since they pretty much killed Tiki culture, it took some time for the pop culture perspective to come around and discover Tiki culture anew. It is this new "pop culture" perspective that liberally allows the mingling of non-related, other pop facets. Not historically correct, and not to everyone's liking :), but far more lively than pure "historical re-enactment". Simply a different animal. The main thing that I find irksome about it is when it becomes its own thing, with no knowledge of and connection to classic Tiki. C'mon, BigBro, give credit where credit is due: "The lifting up of low art to high art," as you put it, had nothing to do with The Beatles. Those responsible for that were the proponents of the Pop Art movement -- particularly Warhol and Lichtenstein. Campbell's soup cans and over-sized comic book panels are the iconic examples. What The Beatles did was give the Baby Boomers their own music which supplanted the music of their parents. And, really, you could argue that Elvis, Chuck Berry, and other earlier rock-n-rollers did this before the Beatles. No, the real influence was Beatle-mania. This was the first-time that the media paid any attention to young people on a large scale and treated them seriously. It was those two things (or three, depending on how you look at it), that spelled the downfall of original Tiki.

On 2010-08-16 22:26, bigbrotiki wrote:
I think the key for the difference between classic Tiki and revival Tiki lies in the fact that the concept of "pop culture" did not exist in the 50s and early 60s -that's why Tiki style could not be recognized as such in its heyday. Pop culture, the lifting up of low art to high art, was introduced with the phenomenon of the Beatles and their generation. Since they pretty much killed Tiki culture, it took some time for the pop culture perspective to come around and discover Tiki culture anew. It is this new "pop culture" perspective that liberally allows the mingling of non-related, other pop facets. Not historically correct, and not to everyone's liking :), but far more lively than pure "historical re-enactment". Simply a different animal. The main thing that I find irksome about it is when it becomes its own thing, with no knowledge of and connection to classic Tiki.

C'mon, BigBro, give credit where credit is due: "The lifting up of low art to high art," as you put it, had nothing to do with The Beatles. Those responsible for that were the proponents of the Pop Art movement -- particularly Warhol and Lichtenstein. Campbell's soup cans and over-sized comic book panels are the iconic examples.

What The Beatles did was give the Baby Boomers their own music which supplanted the music of their parents. And, really, you could argue that Elvis, Chuck Berry, and other earlier rock-n-rollers did this before the Beatles.

No, the real influence was Beatle-mania. This was the first-time that the media paid any attention to young people on a large scale and treated them seriously.

It was those two things (or three, depending on how you look at it), that spelled the downfall of original Tiki.

Post #549167 by Baron von Tiki on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:12 PM