Post #558582 by tiki mick on Fri, Oct 8, 2010 7:51 AM

All the examples you just posted are far closer to Tiki then the Beatles ever will be. They are from what we now call the "Lounge" era, and I pretty much like them all.

Another point: Yes, Sinatra and other "jazz" pop artists of that time period pandered a bit to what was then current tastes, and included Beatles and other 60's artists songs in thier repetoir. I did not like it much. Sergio Mendes and brasil 66 did this, as did Wes Montgomery among others. It's pandering, and an attempt to stay current. Some of them were older artists, trying to be hip. Others perhaps genuinely liked the new sound. But some, I am willing to bet, did this with a gun pointed at thier heads by the record company trying to capture the youth market.

Not much different then what Sergio Mendes has done recently with his collaborations with rap artists. Actually, I pretty much hate it.

I would like to know under what circumstances or in what context Sinatra made that comment...because there is no way any Beatle song would ever rank as the world's greatest love song...not when there are so many great tunes by Cole Porter and so many others.

But regardless, the point of this thread originally (way back in the dawn of time) was that it's apples and bicyle locks. The two genres (mid century jazz pop and Hippy rock music) are completely different from each other. I see no co-existing among them. Maybe today, people can like both....but back then, there was a HUGE difference. Culturally, musically, demographically.

And speaking as a musician, the main difference for me has always been that the music of the lounge era was created by professional musicians, reading scores, being conducted..think Les Baxter, Billy May and all the other big band leaders who routinely backed singers of the time period.....most everything (with some exceptions) that came after was basically a form of folk music/garage rock stuff. And that would include the Beatles. OK if you like that stuff....but I don't.

You can debate that one is better then the other or not...but I am just saying there is a huge difference in the styles of music I am describing here.