Post #599552 by Bruddah Bear on Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:43 PM

On 2011-07-27 16:34, MadDogMike wrote:

On 2011-07-27 12:06, Chuck Tatum is Tiki wrote:
I think MadDogMike (TCs Diplomat) should take this one.

Welcome to TC Ironhardt!

:lol: Sorry, I was on the road and I missed it :lol:

Looks like Bruddah Bear took care of it for me :)

Mike, I attempted to anyway. :)

On 2011-07-27 15:27, bigbrotiki wrote:
Nicely and simply said, B.B.

Thank you, Sven.

I consider that high praise from the man who dug through all the minutiae to attempt to clearly define the boundaries of Tiki for the rest of us. With all the dilution and devolution of Tiki in the '70s and '80s, you are one man who figured out how to nail Jello to a wall.

On 2011-07-27 11:09, ironhardt wrote:
Sorry I disturbed your forum.

[ Edited by: ironhardt 2011-07-27 16:08 ]

ironhardt (I hope you're still around to read this},

I wouldn't say disturbed as much as presented an opportunity.

Yes, an opportunity (as long as folks can keep it polite) to discuss, explore, and even learn from each other, just what makes a bar Tiki and what makes a bar Beach/Island/Caribbean (B/I/C). Some of us really enjoy a good philosophical discussion every now and then. I apologize if my post seemed gruff or disturbed by your presence, it wasn't meant that way. I just wanted to explain why your post was getting some of the reactions that it did and to forewarn you that worse could be on the way from... well... let's just say.. less diplomatic members.

The only real difficulty was that (due to being unaware) your bar was posted in the Home Tiki Bars folder but had a more B/I/C look/feel to it, and really, this is due to a few specific elements being present, and other elements not included into the decor. Others have done the same thing, but when TC members attempted to inform or educate them on Tiki Style the members were met with belligerence and a refusal to even acknowledge there was a difference in the styles (prime example here}. Those posters didn't last long.

You, however, were quite different in that you recognized that something was amiss by some of the cryptic replies (thanks guys :P ) you received and immediately attempted to make amends. That is at least until you finally found out what the offense (fairly minor one) really was and then took a more drastic but unnecessary measure by deleting your post.

I'm actually quite sorry that you deleted the text of your original post, including taking down your photos. As I said before, it's a very nice bar. It actually has some elements that although are not, in and of themselves, elements traditionally associated with Tiki, yet can work very well with Tiki Style. If (and I do mean "if") you ever wished to change up the focus of your bar to reflect Tiki Style, you have a very good basis to start from.

The fact that your bar gives off a more B/I/C vibe isn't a kiss of death in regard to this forum either, at least not as bad as some earlier posters implied (heck, even MadDogMike was recently chided for posting a pic of a decor element that made his "Leslie's Lanai" look like a cheap Baja Gringo dive. :lol: ). We do have a section called Beyond Tiki where topics that don't really fit into Tiki Culture are discussed. I had placed a vote that your thread be moved there where we could continue to discuss your interesting and well constructed bar in a more out of the way folder.

I would seriously encourage you to not give up on this forum (I certainly am not giving up on YOU), I don't wish to change you or your focus, just help you understand what truly is Tiki.

:drink:

Bear