Post #610249 by emspace on Fri, Oct 14, 2011 5:57 PM

On 2011-10-14 14:32, Chuck Tatum is Tiki wrote:

Brent & Spike (Members of the very two bands you are attacking) are very much old school Tiki aficionados
And Brents "Music" knowledge would kick your musical knowledge's ass, and he would do it in a such a way,
you would thank him, then buy him a drink.

And if your constant threat of leaving TC again & again wasn't juvenile, then I don't know what is?

Two things are wrong here: one, the idea that anyone who plays the crap you're talking about could "kick my ass" is nonsense, and this is obviously the observation of a non-musician. In what way? They can immediately play the Mixolydian of E-flat on any instrument? Or they have a wider view of the musical world - despite my having been completely devoted to music and musical research from all over the planet for over 4 decades, and played multiple instruments in multiple styles for over 3? Which one, Chuck?

As to constantly threatening to leave again and again - you're clearly mistaking me for someone else. And who the hell thought I was mocking the Menehunes? I can't even be arsed to read back to find out...I said THEY GOT IT. Please READ before posting.

Most of you guys are actually pretty nice people, no question - pity you have to get so personal when I call out the fact that you have shat on the definition of Tiki music, because to me (and obviously to many other people) I simply stated a fact. If I say punk or surf are crap, I'm stating an opinion - I don't avoid them like the bubonic plague because I think they're cool but "don't get it" - if you hate something, you ought to have the courage and forthrightness to say you think it's crap. This weak-ass Zen hippie "it's all good" crap is one of the most irritating things I'm seeing here. I have fantastic ears and taste nurtured by decades of seeking and finding the good stuff, and I also know I'm going to croak one day and that - here's a direct quote I made in a music thread that must surely be 8 years old: I know I have limited time to hear music and don't want to waste that time on dreck. Why would I? That's crazy by any definition! Whatsammata guys, you AFRAID of beauty? Does beauty make you itchy, make you feel like your postmodern ironic stance is getting queered in some indefinable way? Cowards!

But in point of fact, I never said they were crap - did I? Again: read first. I just said they don't belong in Tiki. Nor did I say, maybe my writing style needs improvement, that the Ding Dongs or anyone else were in it just for the money. They are in it to be part of a scene. And like Lucas I have been there with punk and 'billy too - when I was a KID, folks. And I would NEVER in my wildest dreams have conflated (good word Spike) them with Tiki.

Lucas, thanks. You get it, Hakalugi gets it, Sabu gets it and I know damn well Bong does even if he sometimes plays music he isn't actually passionate about. Musos do that sometimes. You wanna rock out Tiki style, get to it, boys and girls. Flash those tats and those ironic little goatees and that dyed hair, you silly buggahs. You found a new post-punky hipster way to get shitfaced in public and think yourselves cool - enjoy.

Oh, yeah - we have a LOT to thank SoCal for culturally. The whole world does, doesn't it? The cultural primacy, the global cultural hegemony of SoCal is undisputed to be sure. Thank GOD you are there to teach the rest of us what Tiki really is! :D

And to my friends - and family - in SoCal, you know I don't mean you personally. :)

If I stay, I stay, and I'll stay out of musical discussions. Coming to a fistfight with a gun is no fun anyway. But I don't think I'll stay, and I very much doubt I'll be missed. Go comb your goatees, boys, I hear a quart of rum calling your name.

See: anyone can get personal. Anyone can be reactive. I hate being that way myself, so that really is enough.

[ Edited by: emspace 2011-10-14 20:43 ]