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B bigbrotiki Tiki Socialite Tiki Island, above the Silverlake Joined: Mar 25, 2002 Posts: 11621	B bigbrotiki Posted posted on Mon, Jan 27, 2014 10:18 AM On 2014-01-27 08:27, Phillip Roberts wrote: Primo Kimo wrote... These are the only tiki images i could find on the (Coco Palm's) grounds. Not the most snuggly tikis, but I think they count. No they don't. There is a nice German saying in academia that translates to English as "The Exception proves the Rule". This applies to all sciences. Even in my claim that in mainland Polynesian pop, the Tiki did not appear before around 1955, there are exceptions like the Kalua Room in Seattle: They used a very cool, cartoony Tiki as the sign, on the menu and on the matchbooks as early as 1953. This just means that they were ahead of their time, and does not negate the fact that the real, wide-spread appearance of Tikis as symbols for Polynesia which constitutes Tiki style happened a couple of years later. For every finding I publish people will always find exceptions, but if my theories are backed up by 95% historic facts, the 5% that show something different are just that, exceptions. How can anyone in all earnest claim that the Coco Palms, with its time-frame and all its opportunities to use Tikis but NOT doing so, is Tiki Style because of one or two Tiki likenesses found on the grounds. I am not beating any drum, it is just cold hard research and historic statistics. It has been a widely postulated fact that Don The Beachcomber had to import his Polynesian Pop concepts to Waikiki to give the tourists what they were expecting. So did the others, Trader Vic and Steve Crane. These were all MAINLAND chains. Exceptions to the rule: The Waikikian, Spencecliff, and Edward Brownlee. But for every Brownlee and every Waikikian, I give you 10 , 20 or more examples of mainland Tiki style. The carvings, the mugs, it all reached a completely new level on the mainland - a level that sufficed to make it into a genre of its own. All this local pride about Hawaii and the East Coast is silly, the facts are simply that Polynesian Pop AND Tiki were born in California, proliferated here and then spread to the rest of the States. And no, the Mai Tai was not invented in Hawaii, but in San Francisco :)

On 2014-01-27 08:27, Phillip Roberts wrote:

Primo Kimo wrote...
These are the only tiki images i could find on the (Coco Palm's) grounds. Not the most snuggly tikis, but I think they count.

No they don't. There is a nice German saying in academia that translates to English as "The Exception proves the Rule". This applies to all sciences. Even in my claim that in mainland Polynesian pop, the Tiki did not appear before around 1955, there are exceptions like the Kalua Room in Seattle:

They used a very cool, cartoony Tiki as the sign, on the menu and on the matchbooks as early as 1953. This just means that they were ahead of their time, and does not negate the fact that the real, wide-spread appearance of Tikis as symbols for Polynesia which constitutes Tiki style happened a couple of years later.

For every finding I publish people will always find exceptions, but if my theories are backed up by 95% historic facts, the 5% that show something different are just that, exceptions. How can anyone in all earnest claim that the Coco Palms, with its time-frame and all its opportunities to use Tikis but NOT doing so, is Tiki Style because of one or two Tiki likenesses found on the grounds.

I am not beating any drum, it is just cold hard research and historic statistics. It has been a widely postulated fact that Don The Beachcomber had to import his Polynesian Pop concepts to Waikiki to give the tourists what they were expecting. So did the others, Trader Vic and Steve Crane. These were all MAINLAND chains.

Exceptions to the rule: The Waikikian, Spencecliff, and Edward Brownlee. But for every Brownlee and every Waikikian, I give you 10 , 20 or more examples of mainland Tiki style. The carvings, the mugs, it all reached a completely new level on the mainland - a level that sufficed to make it into a genre of its own.

All this local pride about Hawaii and the East Coast is silly, the facts are simply that Polynesian Pop AND Tiki were born in California, proliferated here and then spread to the rest of the States. And no, the Mai Tai was not invented in Hawaii, but in San Francisco :)

Post #705858 by bigbrotiki on Mon, Jan 27, 2014 10:18 AM