Post #752802 by Swanky on Mon, Oct 19, 2015 12:10 PM

On 2015-10-24 20:53, P. Duarte wrote:
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It might also be worth pointing out that there does seem to be some well-documented evidence that a certain Chip Kerr (of FOM notoriety) came into contact with the original Mai-Kai drink recipes and published them on a private intranet, whereby literally hundreds of members had access. You'd think the Cobra's Kiss would have been included on that published list and you'd also think that someone would have noted it down or spilled the beans as to what it actually was. Where is this so-called 'stolen' list of drinks and why hasn't anyone (anonymously) revealed or published it?

Mahalo!
Pico

On 2015-10-19 11:35, tikiskip wrote:
"I've seen and own many of the Mai-Kai's recipes a la Mariano"

I have some of the Kahiki recipes too, and the Mai Kai one that was online.
And people have wanted me to give them to them but I said I would not
give them out so I did not.

Even had some people want me to let them print the very first Beach Bum Berry cocktail
book he put out himself so we could pass that out.
DAM I did not even know Berry and said no to that.

So here is the question...
The Kahiki recipes should not die and never be seen, and the Kahiki is closed.
To share these when a place is open and still using them is a dick move.
How long do I sit on them?
Some of these came with no vow of secrecy, and even the one that did I had already
from another source.
Got that one from three different people and they are all the same so I think it's right.

So what's right?

I have not shared my Mai-Kai recipes, but have given Jim a few hints in his research. I have been working directly with the Mai-Kai for many years and discussing the possibility of printing their recipes. I had considered putting recipes in my Mai-Kai book, but ultimately felt it would dilutee the focus. I have considered a cocktail book as my next offering, but would not publish the Mai-Kai's recipes without their express permission. With the recent events, they are far less interested in having them published than ever. There is no copyright on recipes and legally you can publish their recipes and in this case could even consider them to be Mariano's recipes (I am talking about the 1950s recipes I have, not the current recipes that were on the FOM website) rather than the Mai-Kai's, but they are ultimately the Mai-Kai's trade secrets. Putting them in the hands of their competitors could hurt them.

The Kahiki recipes were not in Jeff's book and they should be preserved. Find someone to get them in print in a good context. They shouldn't end with you.

Should the Mai-Kai ever cease to be there serving these recipes, my team is ready to put together a definitive tome to preserve all of Mariano and the Mai-Kai's legacy creations. Until then, they should have remained secrets. And there will always be one missing ingredient, the Mai-Kai.

Like Mai-Kai: History, Mystery and Adventure the book

[ Edited by: Swanky 2016-03-22 08:10 ]