Post #758461 by swizzle on Fri, Feb 5, 2016 12:51 AM

So here's ANOTHER person that ATP has pissed off. How many is that now? Veronica!, El Jefe, ErichTroudt, myself. That guy in the Other Crafts section that did the computer generated 'tikis'. And these are just the people that have spoken up about it/against him. We'll never know the actual number of all the people who have come here, read a few of his posts and then never returned. He's already been banned twice from this forum so what does that say about him? Ban him once and for all and watch the vibe/tone of this place completely change.

His unicorn 'joke' is just not funny. He is told by the moderator to stop with the noise and his response is,"...exit out of this thread, which should be re-titled "let's attack ATP, because he destroyed TC" and finishes it with, "Later, Tiki Bitches!", which is an insult to every person on this forum, not just those 'attacking' him.

And why do you feel like you are been attacked ATP? Do you have a guilty conscience because you know everyone is right and sick of you?

On 2016-02-04 13:02, lucas vigor wrote:

Take my own case, for example. I started posting in 2003 (under username Tiki Mick) and started right away with the same opinionated comments I also make around my own friends on facebook and in person.
Instantly, I was judged as being negative. People automatically assumed I had some sort of malicious intent. But my motivation was strictly to find “like minds” to converse with, and I was surprised that there were none! I admit, it took me over 11 years or so to finally figure it out, which is also why I stopped posting.

As regards unfriendly posters chasing newbies away, one thing people need to understand: I went back and looked at some of my more combative posts from the old days. I found that there were other combative people who were also very negative, and argumentative, and opinionated calling ME a troll. Isn’t that a case of the kettle calling the pot black? Time and time again, the same names would come up. And the people I was tangling with were people that in many cases I had never met in person, but who were totally rude and unpleasant to me as though I had fucked their sister, instead of just arguing whether the grateful dead is tiki or not. It was that level of animosity that drove me away, and probably drives others away.

So when someone like “swizzle” calls ATP or myself a troll, maybe he should look at his own disruptive behavior. I never even met Swizzle! For all I know, he could be a great guy in person but I will never know. That is something to consider.

Bay park Buzzy and Grog both asked me to leave this forum. Bay park Buzzy. Never even met the guy! Don’t know why my opinions meant so much to him! Grog? I thought we were cool. When he was having his health issues, I was genuinely worried and concerned, and sent positive thoughts out for him. Yet my posts about the Beatles were enough to make him tell me to leave.

[ Edited by: lucas vigor 2016-02-04 13:04 ]

So let's look at what you are saying here Lucas, especially since you are calling me out by name. You are ADMITTING that when you first started posting you started right away with 'opinionated' comments you would make around your friends. This is your (and ATP's) problem. Besides the people on this forum that you do actually know in person, nobody here is your friend. You/we all just have a common interest. The main point is, that there is no tone in the written word. That is what you and ATP just don't get. Having an opinion is all well and good (what's that saying about assholes?) but if you can't express yourself in type in the right way people are going to see you as negative, argumentative and a troll.
That's what happened to me. I became a kettle to yours and ATP's pots because i was constantly reading posts/comments by the two of you that was ruining my experience here at TC. I was only trolling trolls.

If Buzzy and GROG had issues with you also, then who is the common denominator here? I have actually met both of those guys in person a couple of times now. What they think of me, i don't know. You'd have to ask them. What they think of me now after reading some of my comments, i don't know that either. Maybe they're surprised with what i've said and think less of me, agree with me, or couldn't care less. Again, you'd have to ask them.

And we get it. You're a musician, you love music and hate The Beatles.

Now before anyone calls me a hypocrite (yes ATP, i'm looking at you. It's one of your favourite words).........

On 2016-02-04 18:27, Hakalugi wrote:
The "fucking unicorns" in Shout isn't really breaking rule #2. Definitely unsolicited and without class. Here's an example of somebody breaking #2:

On 2016-01-23 03:04, not ATP wrote:
I'm rude??? I'm a member of this forum because i am interested in Tiki culture, its history, and all that it has to represent. You are here for no other reason than to make a profit. FUCK YOU!

This did result in an exchange of PMs and the author has so far kept his word. However, the crap was left on the rug. Why don't I clean it up? I don't like to destroy evidence.

.......For those that might have missed it, that was me. I was drunk, in a foul mood and went on a rampage. I'm man enough to admit i broke rule #2 but i'm not going to apologize for what i said because i stand by it. I'm sure there are members here who read that and thought to themselves, "Gee, he could have said/handled that differently", but actually agree with what i said. But again, so few people speak up, scared to rock the boat, that i/we'll never know.

And just for the record.....

On 2016-02-04 14:00, Atomic Tiki Punk wrote:

Now this is going to piss off some of you, but collecting mugs/menus and what not, has nothing to do with Tiki (sure it supplements your interest in Tiki, but no one was doing it back in the days of going to Polynesian Bars & Restaurants) just as "Urban Archaeology" is not Tiki! yes I said it! it's not Tiki, it's Academic
which no one was also doing back in the good old days of Tiki!

They just went to a Polynesian Bar or Restaurant for some cocktails & escapism from their post war/working lives, to have a good time
And it was that time in history that draws us all together here.

And that is what Tiki is.

I completely agree with this and see it this way myself.

And on a final note, this is the last thing i'm going to say in this thread, even if Lucas and ATP decide to retaliate.

On 2016-02-03 20:59, woofmutt wrote:

As far as TC goes.... it seems dominated by people who think of TC as FB and post whatever bit of fluff floats through their skulls. I used to rail against that, now I just don't care. Fluff away!

That is what MY issue is with TC and i've actually stopped using FB for the very same reason. The inane posts in 'tiki' groups on FB were just doing my head in. It's a shame it's the same here.

[ Edited by: swizzle 2016-02-05 00:53 ]