Post #81280 by hanford_lemoore on Wed, Mar 17, 2004 3:00 AM

On 2004-03-15 21:31, Bwana Tiki wrote:
I never said or implied that the artists here on Tiki Central are idiots, far from it, So Hanford knock it off with the strong implication that I regard the artists here as idiots, I never said that or implied that. respectfully my eye.

Well I never said that you said they were idiots. I never implied that you said, or said you implied, or implied you implied (I think that covers all conditions, doesn’t it?). My statement stands on its own, regardless of what you did or didn’t infer.

You went off on him for something fairly obvious that he didn’t try to hide. And you insulted people who started work on or were considering trying their hand at this contest. Even if someone was dying to get their work turned into a chess set, who is going to post their design now? No, you posted your comments in a way that anyone who was thinking of doing it now feels either insulted or embarrassed, and at the same time you sabotaged the contest.

Now take a look at that page he posted. See how simple those six designs are? Can you imagine designs like that but in tiki style, to-scale but without dimensions? Perhaps sketched, single color, without side views or plan views? That’s 6 sketched-out 2d renderings. Now imagine getting paid 200 bucks for 6 sketches. That’s not a rip-off. That’s not exploitation. Sure, its less money then our best artists here get for their time. But I remember a time when I was in art school where I would have stayed up all night working on a contest like this – where if I won I could have my designs made into a chess set without needing to render the side view or fill in all the details and dimensions. And the 200 bucks for an evening would be way more than what I was getting paid at the time.

It’s not that often in the professional design world that someone says “hey, you do the fun part: come up with the look – and we’ll figure out the details of how to make them in 3D; how to carve them.” Usually you have to be pretty damn good and proven yourself before you get handed projects like that!

Now, you claim “ARTISTs SHOULD DEMAND A BACK END WHEN THEIR ART IS REPRODUCED WITHOUT LIMITS!” but come on. You think work-for-hire of a professional artist (like you suggested) is going to include royalties? Not any professional artist I’ve ever met does that. Do you think the design agency that did the AT&T Logo gets a penny every time it is used?

There are so many things wrong with your perceived model of “back end” that I don’t know where to start. I could go on and on but I’m sick of typing.

Exploitation? Come on.