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Bwana Tiki
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Joined: Feb 14, 2004
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Okay I stole a few moments and I'm gonna adderss a few items right now, the reply for Hanford will have to waite till a little later tonight.
Bong?
On 2004-03-17 09:16, Tiki_Bong wrote:
****** PLEASE NOTE ******
Bwana Tiki is NOT an incarnation of the old, unfinished BONG.
(man, I'm glad the heat's off my raggady ass!)
Really I have no Idea what you could mean by that... I guess you had to be there. Glad to hear you are a more finished Bong. Sorry to hear about your raggedy ass, but when you go letting mountain lions loose at parties, things can get a little... well, tore up. if you want some advice I'd apply cold not heat, maybe you could sit in a big clam shell full of your favorite blended drink, kind of a bung hole mystery bowl, in any event I hope you feel better soon.
*On 2004-03-17 15:32, pablus wrote:[/i
Wow.
Does this mean Hanford is a slave trader selling members of his own tribe?
I was wondering where purple jade was.
First off I'm feeling pretty smug as I just figured out there is a quote button. Secondly, NO. at least not that I know of. I was just pointing out that sometimes thing seem like a good idea at first and then... like the time when I joined a satanic cult only to find out that... ah, hold the line on that one, the jury's still out.
oh shoot multiple sorces to quote. I give up, no big lines to set them off, of hold on...
[i]On 2004-03-17 07:40, pshikli wrote:*
What we're looking for takes under an hour or so with a sketch pad. If it takes longer, the design is probably too intricate to be relevant for us.
simplicity in design often takes a lot of time to pull off. I still say it would take more than a night to produce 6 quality designs. And there are considerations not even mentioned yet such as production methods. When designers work there are more considerations than just what something looks like, for instance how will the design be reproduced, carvings, molds, and if molds what type. Good design recognizes that someone must build what is designed, and this construction process informs your design. Undercuts may not be a problem for teak carvers, but could reek havoc in molding processes. Detail may drive up costs for carved pieces but have little effect of the cost of molded pieces except in initial sculpting stages, a one time expense. There are many things to be considered and that was just an example.
There are a few other points I would like to make but I’ll save them for my response to Hanford and simply include my observations about the information you put out in this reply. Pshikli I don’t get the impression that you are a bad guy, I just think there are better models to achieve your ends and you seem to have found a few already like your topiary guy, he benefits by being a supplier and can absorb design fees as part of a bigger picture, he has a back end. In your proposed scenario the designer gets left out after the contest unless he can do production work as well. I can think of several ways to structure what you wish to accomplish without breaking anyone’s bank or leaving artist holding the bag. Simple things like requests for proposals (ROP), and optioning intellectual property rights. This has the added benefit of protecting your interests and the designer’s at the same time. If you never exercise your option, or let it expire you don’t stand to loose all that much money, and the artist doesn’t loose his or her work. In the interim the artist is prevented from shopping around the designs, you are locked in for a given time and have sole rights to exercise you option. Now you are in a position to make a deal everyone can live with rather than simply here’s two hundred bucks, take it of leave it. You can write options may different way and I’m sure you could find something that work and establish limits for all involved. I hope you are able to produce your tiki chess set, and I hope it does well by everyone involved. My concern is the undervaluation of artists in general, not just those at TC, the notion that it is not real work and is something easy that anyone can do in a few hours with a sketch pad, is a false notion. Most of the people I know are professional artists of some description, and as such have studied hard, yes as in real schools with big tuition bills, and invested in themselves. At the same time there are many wonderful armature artists as well who are employed in other fields. And many fine works are produced by these individuals as well, I’ve seen many examples here at TC. In any case it all take time and inspiration, not just a few hours for some quickie ideas. The result of a few hours is seldom more than stepping off point, and one which must often later be discarded. First ideas are seldom the end all be all. You want a good product right? Find a process that allows your potential creatives to develop good work for you. You seem to have done it before so it should be old hat.
Till Later tonight,
Bwana Tiki
[ Edited by: Bwana Tiki on 2004-03-17 18:46 ]
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