Frank Sinatra - there is no "or" - Beyond Tiki

GT Geeky Tiki Member Las vegas Joined: Oct 15, 2002 Posts: 533	GT Geeky Tiki Posted posted on Tue, Jun 1, 2004 1:57 PM On 2004-06-01 13:30, Johnny Dollar wrote: dunno, just threw out the topic coz i figured people would have some interesting things to say here. discussion will of course produce dissenting views. wasn't trying to enforce any orthodoxy, and since this was in "beyond tiki" i wasn't suggesting mr. sinatra had anything to do with tiki beyond probably partaking of it in its heyday as did many of his contemporaries. of course, as with anything on this board the implied intention is to discuss the artwork, not the moral righteousness of the artist. frank sinatra could very well have been a really bad man. one might have been personally affected by this and hold a personal grudge. the topic is more about the swank factor, the vibe, whether you enjoy it or not, perhaps one of his contemporaries better. i suppose a topic about whether any artist is an exemplary human being might get a fair amount of traffic, but i didn't figure this was that particular thread. mah $0.02. Aloha, JD. I only meant to imply that sometimes an artist's personal life affects the way I relate to his work. As I said, I still dig Frank, it's just that I would have dug him more if he didn't hit chicks. Not to draw a parallel, but even if he wrote a string of number one hits, I couldn't be a fan of Charles Manson's music. I chose this as an outlandish example of someone's actions affecting the interpretation of his art that you may agree with. Same would go for John Wayne Gacey and his paintings. Even if he created a masterpiece, I'd still get the cooties thinking about the artist. I mean these examples in humor only as an iconoclastic comparison - not trying to put Frank in with this group. Frank exists within a context. Just as you may relate to his swankiness, that is an editorial addition to his singing, as well. When I listen to Frank sing about drinking, part of me can't seperate that from the image of him drinking and hitting girls. His behavior tempered by fan-hood. No offense. Like I said, he still gets play on the old turntable! [ Edited by: Geeky Tiki on 2004-06-01 14:00 ]

On 2004-06-01 13:30, Johnny Dollar wrote:
dunno, just threw out the topic coz i figured people would have some interesting things to say here. discussion will of course produce dissenting views. wasn't trying to enforce any orthodoxy, and since this was in "beyond tiki" i wasn't suggesting mr. sinatra had anything to do with tiki beyond probably partaking of it in its heyday as did many of his contemporaries. of course, as with anything on this board the implied intention is to discuss the artwork, not the moral righteousness of the artist. frank sinatra could very well have been a really bad man. one might have been personally affected by this and hold a personal grudge. the topic is more about the swank factor, the vibe, whether you enjoy it or not, perhaps one of his contemporaries better. i suppose a topic about whether any artist is an exemplary human being might get a fair amount of traffic, but i didn't figure this was that particular thread. mah $0.02.

Aloha, JD.

I only meant to imply that sometimes an artist's personal life affects the way I relate to his work.

As I said, I still dig Frank, it's just that I would have dug him more if he didn't hit chicks.

Not to draw a parallel, but even if he wrote a string of number one hits, I couldn't be a fan of Charles Manson's music. I chose this as an outlandish example of someone's actions affecting the interpretation of his art that you may agree with.

Same would go for John Wayne Gacey and his paintings. Even if he created a masterpiece, I'd still get the cooties thinking about the artist. I mean these examples in humor only as an iconoclastic comparison - not trying to put Frank in with this group.

Frank exists within a context. Just as you may relate to his swankiness, that is an editorial addition to his singing, as well. When I listen to Frank sing about drinking, part of me can't seperate that from the image of him drinking and hitting girls. His behavior tempered by fan-hood.

No offense.

Like I said, he still gets play on the old turntable!

[ Edited by: Geeky Tiki on 2004-06-01 14:00 ]

Post #93901 by Geeky Tiki on Tue, Jun 1, 2004 1:57 PM