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Jared Diamond on Easter Island in "Collapse"
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Mon, Nov 28, 2005 6:26 PM
I recently purchased "Collapse" by Jared Diamond, a Pulitzer Prize winning author, as well as a Physiology professor at UCLA Medical School and a Anthro-Geology Professor. Dr. Diamond provides the following explanation of the factors which caused the collapse of the pre-contact Rapa Nui culture on Easter Island*:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670033375/ref=bxgy_cc_img_a/002-0560765-2584028?%5Fencoding=UTF8 *A very, abbreviated summary - barely does justice to his insightful and detailed analysis. |
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Mon, Nov 28, 2005 7:10 PM
This is quite the co-winky-dink; I happen to be reading the exact same book. Can't put it down. Lot more interesting than I'd anticipated. cristiki, you have summarized the author's conclusions about Easter Island accurately. I think his conclusions are reasonable. I think people on Easter Island will probably not like them, as it presents a history of people who deforested their island faster than nature could replace it in this relatively cold and dry place, and that lead to the collapse of their economy with resultant fussin' n' feudin' and cannibalism and desecration of the moais, never much fun to think about in one's ancestors, but facts is facts. Wait 'till you get to the chapter about Pitcarin and Henderson Islands. It's even better. I just finished the parts about the Anasazi and Mayans this afternoon. It's beginning to seem that the main reason civilizations and societies collapse is lack of food, brought about by a combination of bad luck with weather and human mismanagement of the environment. Can't recommend this book highly enough. |
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Mon, Nov 28, 2005 8:09 PM
I've known about this book and considered it for a while, but you guys' discussion has tipped the balance and I'll request it from the library very soon. Funny, I always think of the Moai image as one of placid wisdom, zen-like, above-the-fray. Kind of upsets my little fantasy image of them to know that they can in fact be seen as representative of tyranny and, well, as unfair as it seems to say it with the benefits of distance and hindsight, a kind of mass folly. I still think I'll always like their look though. |
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Tue, Nov 29, 2005 8:59 AM
..that's "Anakena". Also, it might be worth noting that these theories are not new or unique to this author's work; his explaination for Rapa Nui's downfall is the same one that has been generally accepted (and published in several other places) for a few decades now. |
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Tue, Nov 29, 2005 12:10 PM
Agreed, the general outlines and causes of the decline and "collapse" have been pretty well understood for quite a while. I think the attraction here is the connecting of it to a theoretical framework which helps explain it as well as, and in relation to, other crises with which it bears some commonalities. (Then again, I haven't read the book yet, so am kind of improvising a bit here.) |
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Tue, Nov 29, 2005 1:19 PM
True enough, he credits UCLA colleague JoAnne Van Tilburg consistently and they even researched together. Its not so much that the theories are new, as you state, they are not, but his ability to provide a concise detailed explanation in a larger socio-political context and make analogies to contemporary society are noteworthy. TB, thanks for the typo correction & overall feedback. |
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Wed, Nov 30, 2005 7:25 AM
I posted comments on Collapse several months ago when I read it. Great chapter on Easter Island, but, overall, this book is nowhere as good as Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. The other chapters get fairly repetitive and I ended up skimming the last couple, which I generally never do. If you haven't read Guns.., that one's a must. The Easter Island chapter was fascinating, though, but I'd recommend the library or a used copy. |
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christiki295
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Wed, Dec 7, 2005 6:51 PM
Here is an article by him on Easter Island: http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d10/asb/anthro2003/origins/eastersend.html |
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christiki295
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Sat, Oct 21, 2006 3:27 AM
With the 300 millionth child in the US, the issue of fossil fuels, and whether we have used up 50% of the world's supply, along with deforestation, I wonder if we are not already down a ways along Easter Island's path. "By now the meaning of Easter Island for us should be chillingly obvious. Easter Island is Earth writ small. Today, again, a rising population confronts shrinking resources. We too have no emigration valve, because all human societies are linked by international transport, and we can no more escape into space than the Easter Islanders could flee into the ocean. If we continue to follow our present course, we shall have exhausted the world's major fisheries, tropical rain forests, fossil fuels, and much of our soil by the time my sons reach my current age." |
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christiki295
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Thu, Feb 8, 2007 10:14 PM
A professor friend of mine at U of Indiana also states that overpopulation is the true cause of global warming, and that green house gasses are a merely a symptom of overpopulation. |
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Tiki Chris
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Sun, Feb 11, 2007 5:39 AM
Lots of Jared Diamond related articles on Rapa Nui News: |
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Sun, Feb 11, 2007 8:52 AM
Thanks for the summary, christiki. I've had this book on my shelf for about a year now, and plan to tear into it soon. |
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Mon, Feb 12, 2007 11:06 AM
Wow, great discusion on everyones part! Yes it is true, EI is just a small version of what is happening today world wide. However, overpopulation is not the cause of our enviro. problems. Just like what happened on EI, GREED!,& therefor the convienient "lack of vision" [truth] that "leaders" impose on the rest of the populace, that follows, is the reason for our unsure future. Make no mistake, they know.-----Remy |
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Tiki Chris
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Tue, Feb 13, 2007 8:34 AM
Were you there? I'm sorry, but the verdict is still out on the causes of deforestation on Rapanui. There are strong arguments that suggest human activity had a limited role. Like so much that we (don't) know about Rapanui, how it was deforested is shrouded in mystery and speculation. I really don't mean to be argumentative, but I come across tons of this type of "Easter Island as morality tale" and too many people seem to find whatever happened on Rapanui a convenient example of whatever it is they want to argue. The island of Rapanui is one of the most wonderful places I have ever been. The Rapanui people are lovely. My memories of my too brief trip there haunt me (in a good way) daily. If the rest of the world were to end up like Rapanui, it might not be such a bad thing afterall. |
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Mouse Art
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Tue, Feb 13, 2007 12:42 PM
Well, I should have said, "maybe what happened on EI". & thank you for not wanting to "argue". I come here to relax. Remy |
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christiki295
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Sun, Feb 18, 2007 1:07 AM
Tiki Chris, |
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christiki295
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Sun, Nov 25, 2007 8:35 PM
Even today, forests are being cut down for fuel. In Israel, 2 trucks carrying 30 tons of illegally chopped wood "With winter just around the corner, the prospect of high heating bills is on the minds of many Israelis -- particularly villagers high above sea level in the northern Galilee region, home to many of the country's poorest families. The higher the price of fuel, and the colder the weather, the more likely people are to invade Israel's forests in search of affordable warmth. This month, police seized two trucks carrying 30 tons of wood felled without permit. "We find a close correlation between this activity and the rise in fuel prices," said Omri Bonneh, director of the Jewish National Fund's northern region, which deploys 50 rangers to patrol tens of thousands of acres of forest. "It is driven by financial distress."LAT 11/24/07 I don't blame the poor, but it is just one example of how history seems to be repeating itself. |
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