why Orgeat?

Ok, so the debate might still go on 'who created the Mai Tai', but what I wanna know is why Orgeat?
I pride myself on mixing up a few drinks. But when the originator of the Mai Tai choose to use Orgeat, why?
I mean, it tastes great, but it's seldom used in cocktails. So what prompted someone to use it as an essential ingredient in such a great drink.
Mixologists enlighten me...guide me onto the path of great cocktail consciousness.

I would hazard a guess that it is because the sweet almond flavor of orgeat imparts a layer of flavor that enhances both the rum and the fruit juices. It is a vintage ingredient that today would just be referred to as "almond syrup," I'll wager.

I've also learned recently that orgeat syrup is particularly favored as an offering to the Voodoo gods and modern day practitioners bring it to ceremonies along with the rums and cigars that the gods also enjoy.

What was your source of information regarding the use of orgeat syrup in vodou practice?
-Sam

On 2007-02-15 13:26, Kon-Hemsby wrote:
...So what prompted someone to use it as an essential ingredient in such a great drink....

I will invite you to put your nose to a good bottle of Orgeat. The almond flavor compliments both the lime and the orange flavors and the nutty aroma brings a wonderful little bit of exotic to the nose. And, if you are still not sure, try a Mai-Tai without it.... I think you will find it a bit flat overall without it.

Must buy Orgeat!!! :o

On 2007-02-15 19:30, Chip and Andy wrote:

On 2007-02-15 13:26, Kon-Hemsby wrote:
...So what prompted someone to use it as an essential ingredient in such a great drink....

I will invite you to put your nose to a good bottle of Orgeat. The almond flavor compliments both the lime and the orange flavors and the nutty aroma brings a wonderful little bit of exotic to the nose. And, if you are still not sure, try a Mai-Tai without it.... I think you will find it a bit flat overall without it.

I agree that the orgeat works perfectly, but what puzzles me is that it is hardly used in other tropical drinks, so what prompted someone to pick up a bottle and try it? Randomness, luck, spare bottle lying around..........

Using my bar selection as example, I looked at the Grogalizer Special Search and there were 14 recipes with orgeat. A few. I would guess that it was a mixer picked up via the Carribean along with Sazerac and rum. It made its way to the US in the hands of Trader Vic or Don Beach and they started using it. It became a standard ingredient.

Cheers Swanky. That's the kinda knowledge I'm a thirsting for.

Mahalo

Don't excoriate me, but I've used amaretto instead of orgeat.

On 2007-02-16 09:03, aikiman44 wrote:
Don't excoriate me, but I've used amaretto instead of orgeat.

My only question to you is have you compared the flavor of one against the other? Straight, I mean. Amaretto it a liquore with an alcoholic content, orgeat is a flavoring with little to no alcoholic content. One brings more sweet to the drink than the other. Have you kept that in mind when using one to sub for the other?

And then.... what do you think of the cocktails with the substitute? Do you find them better? worse? different? What does the Amaretto bring to the drink as a substitute?

It think you'll find that Orgeat was more than often a Trader Vic peculiarity.

In the Beachbum Berry seminar at the last Hukilau, he mentioned a personal last nail in the coffin about the infamous "Who made the Mai Tai" fight: At the time of the creation of the Mai Tai, Donn did not use Orgeat. Vic did.

Interestingly, Proto-Orgeat was an elixir made of almond and Barley. This substance branched off to become (through cultures and locations) Horchata and our now-known Orgeat.

Some interesting links:

http://www2.wwnorton.com/pob/SpottedD/hundred.htm

P.S. as an interesting aside - nuts were often stored historically as a cheaper source of fat. They would keep longer than a meat source of fat - i.e. you could store them as you store grain. When you'd need some fat for a recipe, you would create "almond milk" from the crushed almonds (a first step in making Orgeat). Many medieval recipes use almond milk as their source of fat due to the popularity of this contemporary lipid-source storage.

http://www.godecookery.com/goderec/grec31.htm

Not to get off topic here, but WHERE do you find Orgeat?? For the last three weeks, I've hit up every liquor store, supermarket, health food store, etc.... and NO ONE knows what I'm talking about. One older lady at a liquor store told me it hasn't been made since the 1930s, and the best one was from the young girl behind the counter of another liquor store that just giggled and said, "Wow, that must be brand new stuff, I've never heard of it before". ARRRGGGGGG!! Anyone got any helpful hints on where to look? I've contacted Fee Bros and the closest distributor to me is like 70 miles away. (I'm ready to take the trip!!) Someone suggested a coffee shop that specializes in gourmet flavors? Any thoughts on this??
Thanks
PS: I live in N.E.Connecticut if anyone has a source around here.

If you can't find orgeat syrup, then click on the link I've posted below. It's a recipe on how to make orgeat syrup.

But anecdotally, I just tried this recipe and it didn't turn out too well.

I'm just gonna go find some orgeat syrup online. This is DC, after all, and there are hardly any places here that would carry it.

http://www.theartofdrink.com/blog/2006/02/orgeat_syrup.php

Don't forget the Floral element of Orgeat's makeup, either Rose or Orange-Blossom Water are added to the Almonds & Sugar, which adds incredible amounts of aroma to the drink. I believe the Orange-Blossom Water version is preferred for Mai-Tais, maybe Chip & Andy would like to add testing, & Tasting, Rose Water vs. Orange Blossom Water versions of Orgeat to their Mai-Tai Study? Have you two tried any Homemade Orgeats, like This one? It could allow you to experiment with the levels of the floral notes in the syrup.

On 2007-02-16 15:47, DJ HawaiianShirt wrote:
If you can't find orgeat syrup, then click on the link I've posted below. It's a recipe on how to make orgeat syrup.

But anecdotally, I just tried this recipe and it didn't turn out too well.

I'm just gonna go find some orgeat syrup online. This is DC, after all, and there are hardly any places here that would carry it.

http://www.theartofdrink.com/blog/2006/02/orgeat_syrup.php

Thanks DJ!
I just found this web site http://sovrana.stores.yahoo.net/routinsyrups.html and ordered a couple bottles as well as some Passion Fruit Syrup. Anybody have any comments about this brand??

source of info re: orgeat in Voudou practice?

This recently-released book by Kenaz Filan:

http://www.amazon.com/Haitian-Vodou-Handbook-Protocols-Riding/dp/1594771251/sr=8-1/qid=1171678613/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-8108707-4315225?ie=UTF8&s=books

On 2007-02-16 16:28, freddiefreelance wrote:
Don't forget the Floral element of Orgeat's makeup, either Rose or Orange-Blossom Water are added to the Almonds & Sugar, which adds incredible amounts of aroma to the drink. I believe the Orange-Blossom Water version is preferred for Mai-Tais ...

It is difficult to tell which version of orgeat you are gettting as the label rarely lists Rose Water-vs-Orange Blossom Water in the ingredients. And, yes, the Orange Blosom water makes the better Mai-Tai from the aroma standpoint. If your orgeat is made with the Rose Water the final drink takes on a more floral note which is only slightly less exotic when you close your eyes. Actually, a Rose-Water based orgreat makes me think more of the wahine serving my drink than the beach I imagine myself lying on while drinking the Mai-Tai..... :wink:

For those of you questing for Orgeat, you can get the Trader Vic's Orgeat on-line and it is pretty tasty overall. Toriano (Toriani?) makes an orgeat that you can find in most coffee houses (or World Market if you have one), but I have found it to be way too sweet with too little flavor unless you are putting it in your coffee. There are other and better brands available in some areas and making it yourself is surprisingly easy. Follow the many links in this thread and get brewing. And, as always,share with us what you find and pictures are good too!