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The Artist : Why sometimes they are A**holes?
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 8:52 AM
Ha, that article is FULL of great quotes! Some remind me of someone's work here :D : ".... a higher flow of information from the thalamus." " It's like looking at a shattered mirror." "When you suspend disbelief you are prepared to believe anything..." ...but what do I know! |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 8:59 AM
Sorry, But I think music artists are bigger assholes than art artists. TV sets out of windows, East Coast vs West Coast killings, 80's hair bands, 70's punk bands, Golden Gods etc.... It's not even close. |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:01 AM
Attention Newby: That's right, "Mr. Scrimsaw" (if that really IS your name), my name is "BigToe" precisely because i like to step on little people...I am a cruel tiki-carver bashing coward...and ur next for my malevolent BIG SHOE! But i would never punch a kid tho...that was a midget. or possibly a hobgoblin. that said, u may be right about the failed tiki carving ability...the tiki that was supposed to have been my most glorious accomplishment, "Suck It Bowana", has languished on a shelf while i fritter away the hours on painting tawdry women (the pursuit of which being the real reason we all paint, truth be told). But i think this may be a case of the POT calling the KETTLE black "Mr. Scrimsaw" (if that really is your name). after all, scrimshaw is the practice of carving the teeth of murdered whales, isnt it "Mr. Scrimshaw". isnt it true that these gentle giants have been slaughtered to near extinction just so u can carve some fetishistic baubles to sell to the tourists for your own selfish greedy gains!! shame, "Mr. Scrimsaw", SHAME! and for future reference, spend some time on a site for a few days before recklessly lashing out at people and looking like a kook. MISTER BIGBOOT |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:03 AM
Don't believe the Toe....... Great Thread Zeta! |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:12 AM
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:16 AM
And next up for the big boot is loveable ol' BigBroTiki for calling us all gutter pups...even tho it is most likely tru. Was it Oscar Wilde that said "we are ALL in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars"?? And Zeta:
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:18 AM
and that kid had it coming...he was slurping his pasta. |
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little lost tiki
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:19 AM
you forgot... they punch kids! |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:28 AM
never once have I thought of artists having the corner on Asshole-ery. I thought it was mostly confined to Florida Drivers and News Network pundits. but really, I respect artists, crazy or not. My hubby and I could be considered arts or artisans depending on who's asking, but the drive and fortitude it takes to put yourself out there in a creative way is a trait I find fascinating and something to admire. I would rather hang out with a crazy creative person than a boring dull one any day. Either you appreciate the richness of personality or you don't. oh and mr scrimshaw. like it or not I think you are an artist. Your work was amazing. I'll call you an artisan if you like it better, but your work totally blew me away. |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:36 AM
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BigToe
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:39 AM
here's another kid i had to punch. JOey was sugared up and bothering me for an autograph...with those sticky little fingers. |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:51 AM
Off to make more work... [ Edited by: WJHScrimshaw 2010-06-16 19:07 ] |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 9:51 AM
The problem with the whole tortured artist myth is that it leads to so much posing by hope-to-be-greats. Admittedly without such posing we'd never have had the likes of Morrisey but on the other hand we'd also have never have had Michael Stipe. |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:08 AM
"freddom of speech" Of course,not ALL artists have mental problems It's well known that 60% of the GENERAL population Living in a Modern Society An artist HAS a responsibility to his time period/culture/world |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:08 AM
Off to make more work... [ Edited by: WJHScrimshaw 2010-06-16 19:08 ] |
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little lost tiki
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 10:08 AM
Which is probably why the Toe punches kids... |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:01 AM
when I am not being a fabulous tiki fashion model I am also a mommy and playground frequenter...and really, there are some kids out there that need a good punch in the face. |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:08 AM
Off to make more work... [ Edited by: WJHScrimshaw 2010-06-16 19:09 ] |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:40 AM
Off to make more work... [ Edited by: WJHScrimshaw 2010-06-16 19:08 ] |
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little lost tiki
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:40 AM
Good points there scrim!
Really? I guess Food and Shelter weren't that much of a big deal,eh? the Venus of Willendorf and other sculptures show the prominence of CREATION -as seen thru childbirth..... Early man probably treasured food/shelter/and reproduction kind of an early hierarchy of Needs (a la Maslow). Most of the examples are craftsmen
Again. not true....
THE ARTIST AS Here's a quote from Wikipedia The movement validated strong emotion as an authentic source of aesthetic experience, placing new emphasis on such emotions as trepidation, horror and terror and awe—especially that which is experienced in confronting the sublimity of untamed nature and its picturesque qualities, both new aesthetic categories. It elevated folk art and ancient custom to something noble, made of spontaneity a desirable character (as in the musical impromptu), and argued for a "natural" epistemology of human activities as conditioned by nature in the form of language and customary usage." This is where Goethe and many others began the artist as tortured genius theory... The Symbolism movement took it even further Hitler could have been a frustrated mail carrier and still have accomplished all the horror and death he is famous for... Hitler was an A-hole and a frustrated artist... Our last president was a businessman.an oilman You should read that previous article again... It merely explains the close similiarity between schizophrenia and creative thinking I agree in that our modern society probably nurtures this instability.... Now, what were we talking about? oh yeah... kid-punching! [ Edited by: little lost tiki 2010-06-16 11:43 ] |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 11:57 AM
Off to make more work... [ Edited by: WJHScrimshaw 2010-06-16 19:09 ] |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 12:02 PM
Off to make more work... [ Edited by: WJHScrimshaw 2010-06-16 19:10 ] |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 12:07 PM
I like turtles. |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 12:33 PM
Sadly so true. And do not even think about calling that out on TC, now, where it's ALL good! This has really taken off with the internet: WHO is supposed to read all those blogs, look at all those pictures, --everybody is too busy ...with their own form of self-expression! :) Often it is not self-glorifiaction, but the honest desire to do art -- without having the talent. And the lack of ability to take a good cold hard look at one's stuff and say "I suck at this". I applaud Scrimshaw for not wanting to take on the moniker of artist (NOT implying his stuff sucks!) |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 12:55 PM
Off to make more work... [ Edited by: WJHScrimshaw 2010-06-16 19:10 ] |
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little lost tiki
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 1:53 PM
Beautiful work scrimshaw! Well said
i beg to differ on this example: Without his deep dark depression Could Kafka had written the way he writes
can't say the above isn't too one-sided of a comparison... BUT Objective view/Craftsman embellishes functional items,for whatever purpose (to communicate cultural recognition/ask for godly assistance/clan markings/foe intimidation) Subjective View/Artist embellishes useless surfaces with markings that can communicate anything from a simple sunset or the bond of a mother and child all the way to social agitation or questioning the status quo Physical Spirit looks like you can't have one without the other... tell that to those a-hole "real artists" who didn't respect your amazing work.... man! all this typin is makin me dizzy! You're gonna find such a range of talent and creativity and art and craft and ingenuity on this forum,scrimshaw! and seriously, the Toe don't punch no kids... unless they deserved it! |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 3:06 PM
Recap |
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 3:19 PM
Not a real site there yet, someone snagged the domain name.... |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 3:30 PM
Off to make more work... [ Edited by: WJHScrimshaw 2010-06-16 19:03 ] |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 4:33 PM
I was one of those kids who said I was going to grow up to be an artist. |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 5:11 PM
i'd just like to say one little thing about "big toe"... (pun intended) although we've never met in person we've shared a lot of walls in a bunch of shows (something about our color palette?? or our general weirdness??) heck, we even got to share a page in mad magazine! as an artist i've suffered quite a bit of unfair criticism because of shortsighted folks writing me off as a "grafitti artist" because of my chosen medium... (i'll admit spraypaint may seem an odd choice [especially for tiki] but it's my choice and it's what i know best!) toe has been incredibly supportive on this and other interwebnet thingamabobs, he's shown kindness where others have not, he's offered to let me share common space at oasis, and he's always raising the bar for himself and others as an artist... please, don't make assumptions about one's character based on a moniker or a thread when you don't know the person or the artist. ...not that he needs my defense but i consider him a friend and i find it a bit offensive... um.. now, if you're just having a friendly "nudge, nudge, wink-wink" wwith the guy (kinda like LLT) disregard what i've said altogether... he's a mean, ugly, jerk! |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 5:43 PM
Off to make more work... [ Edited by: WJHScrimshaw 2010-06-16 19:11 ] |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 6:23 PM
WJHScrimshaw,I was reading threw the thread to see just what set you off on BigToe,What I see are clear instances of levity,obvious ones Be it known that those posts are just some joking about, off color maybe,but just joking,nothing else. Also I could not help but notice that all your posts are about "You" TMI WJHScrimshaw. On an unrelated note, are there any "Artist" that are registered republicans? anyone? [ Edited by: Atomic Tiki Punk 2010-06-16 18:24 ] |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 6:47 PM
Off to make more work... [ Edited by: WJHScrimshaw 2010-06-16 19:12 ] |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 6:57 PM
So much to wade threw scrimshaw, hit the topics that are of interest to you,checkout the artist threads to see what a talented gorup of assholes we have here,but remember! don't throw stones,then expect people to hear your very valid points,after the fact. [ Edited by: Atomic Tiki Punk 2010-06-16 18:58 ] |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:00 PM
In respect to the tiki carvers...where it all started, check this one out: [ Edited by: WJHScrimshaw 2010-06-16 19:03 ] |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:02 PM
About me? like a silly green puppet from a funky space opera once said "Don't talk, Do!" |
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Atomic Tiki Punk
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:09 PM
Or was that "Don't try,Do!" That is a sharp looking carve you got going on. |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:10 PM
Wow, a very Barney Westish Tiki, who is that? |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:14 PM
Found it on google while searching tiki pics. Don't know...but you'll find it there if you search the same way. Some more nice ones: |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:19 PM
Well, the humor here sometimes DOES get a little esoteric here, so no wonder someone on his first day doesn't get the joke. Internet humor is hard to tell in general, that is why I always employ those stupid, often redundant smilies -because more often it is better to make sure that readers understand that something was said with a smiling attitude. This kind of incestuous gay bar roughing up that those South Call artists practice is not easily apparent to outsiders. :D There, like that! |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:23 PM
They love to wear black. |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:24 PM
On second look, that looks like young Benzart, doesn't it! |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:26 PM
are tikis made by artists? [ Edited by: WJHScrimshaw 2010-06-16 19:36 ] |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:28 PM
Sorry Zeta, didn't mean to condemn your valiant attempt to keep your hit thread on track onto the previous page! :) Maybe that is why I love California: Even the artiest types are not that stupid to wear black here. I was so tired of that in Germany. |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:29 PM
not cool WJHScrimshaw. |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:29 PM
there's where you are wrong.......i've always been an asshole.....and i make tiki art...... |
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Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:31 PM
Yes, Sven has spoketh the truth.... :lol: Frak you, you Fracking, Frack head! just Frack off!......FRACK! :lol: see joking! and knowing is half the battle! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :o :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Now I need a Mai Tai! :o |