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Yeah, I know, there are already plenty of threads about different syrups and within the millions of pages of those there are many suggestions on how best to preserve them, but I wanted to delve further into the topic and dedicate a thread to getting the maximum life out of syrups. The main topics I want to discuss are: I'll get into some of my personal experiences in a comment below. |
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Thu, May 5, 2016 3:58 PM
I almost always have a homemade sugar syrup (usually rich), cinnamon syrup, passion fruit syrup, grenadine, (rich) honey mix and falernum in my arsenal. Orgeat is the one thing I use regularly that I'm fine sticking with BG Reynolds and those bottles always outlast the use by date if I don't finish before then. I never had issues with spoilage of my own syrups until recently. I had a rich sugar syrup grow mold within a month or so and lately my honey mixes seem to start fermenting within days of making them. The Rich Sugar that went bad was made by cold process, which I'd never done before. I've always boiled 2:1 sugar but a falernum recipe I was making specifically called for cold process. So I made a large batch of rich sugar syrup, used what was needed for the falernum and planned to use the rest as needed. I never refrigerate my hot process rich sugar and besides crystallizing it has never gone bad on me. So I was surprised when this bottle of cold process turned so quickly. With the honey mix, I typically squeeze whatever amount I need from one plastic bear into a used, empty bear along with half that amount of filtered water, then shake like crazy til it's liquefied. I never used to refrigerate this, since honey lasts forever, and never had a honey mix go bad until recently. One time within a couple weeks of making it, I noticed the mix smelled really bad like it had fermented. I ended up tossing it, puzzled. The next batch did the same thing in short order. More costly honey down the drain. I started to wonder if using the old bear containers had an impact on this or what had changed. Both the honey and the sugar that went bad were done by cold process and stored at room temperature. Should the general rule be if it's made by cold process, it should be refrigerated? Or would adding pure grain alcohol have done the trick? And what is a suitable amount of PGA to add to your syrup to prolong the life without affecting the flavor? I've heard 1 oz of grain alcohol per 8 oz of syrup but I once ruined a batch of passion fruit syrup by adding that much. Besides honey, I typically keep my syrups in 8 or 16 oz glass bottles with the swing clamp tops and rubber stoppers like this one from World Market: http://www.worldmarket.com/product/bormioli+rocco+swing+bottle.do?&from=fn They say to hand wash them. I'm not sure if the glass can't handle the heat of a dishwasher or if it has something to do with the metal on the clamps (which are removable), but I've always just cleaned them by putting a couple squirts of dish soap in them, filling them with piping hot water, putting the stopper in and shaking like mad. Then I let it sit for a while so the suds can work their magic, then I rinse with warm water til all the soap is gone and sit 'em out upside down to dry. I've noticed recently that the older bottles don't look 100% clean after this. They have little particles caked to the inside of the glass that I just can't seem to wash out. And they're starting to smell like the syrup that was previously in them so now I'm worried about putting my passion fruit in a bottle that smells of falernum. Curious if anyone has experienced this and if you have suggestions on how best to clean them. The bottles are expensive so I don't want to keep replacing them after a couple uses. There's gotta be a better way to sterilize them since you can't fit a sponge inside to scrub. Would love to get some feedback from the community. [ Edited by: mikehooker 2016-05-05 16:04 ] |
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PalmtreePat
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Thu, May 5, 2016 4:13 PM
For most syrups I go
To date, I've never had a syrup turn on me, but I'm only making about 16 oz at a time. I typically heat my syrups only long enough to get the sugar dissolved, but for things like grenadine or vanilla syrup, where you're trying to extract flavors from a solid, I'll typically let the liquid and the solids go at a simmer for a short while before I add the sugar, say about five minutes or until you can smell whatever you're cooking on the other side of the kitchen. The only exception to this process that I make routinely is orgeat, which I cold process from Pacific almond milk and fortify with an extra large glug of brandy in lieu of rum. |
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Thu, May 5, 2016 4:35 PM
Simple syrup and cinnamon simple syrup I make in small batches. Usually a small juice glass (probably about 6 oz) water to a small juice glass of sugar. Plain simple syrup is made cold process and the cinnamon syrup is hot with 3 sticks. Between using them in cocktails, coffee, tea, lemonade....I rip through them quite fast, within a couple of days. I keep them in squirt bottles and the bottles are dedicated to each (simple syrup bottle always gets simple syrup, cinnamon syrup bottle always gets cinnamon syrup). I wash the bottles using liquid soap, hot water and a bottle brush. Never had any go bad, but if it were on it's way, I probably used them up before it was noticeable. They, along with all my syrups, go in the fridge (figure it can't hurt). I'm on my first bottle of homemade passion fruit syrup. At first I had a brand called Cena, but the local grocery quit carrying it. Made some homemade, then a short while ago the local grocery started carrying a brand called Poly. Haven't tried the Poly yet, still working on the homemade. Stored in a simular bottle as yours, but mine were purchased with some kind of sparkling Lemonade and I repurposed the bottles after it was gone. Bottles are washed the same as the squeeze ones above. I also used these bottles to store leftover pineapple juice after I open a can. Used to use plastic bottles that previously held commercial pineapple juice, but the juice lasted much longer in the glass than the plastic. Dunno if air permeates (hope thats the right word) the the plastic or the plastic just holds on to bacteria, ect better. Orgeat I keep in a plastic Finest Call bottle. I'm planning on changing that one to glass too. Orgeat is somebody's "Emergency Orgeat" recipe that I found online. I tweaked it a bit (little more almond extract) and use Blue Diamond Almond Breeze Original Unsweetened Almond Milk (wife is already buying it and I just sneak a cup every once in a while....). I also half of the called for rum, it called for 2 oz of white rum and I use 1 oz of Overproof just because I got a bottle and the only use I can think for the stuff besides volcano bowls is go-go juice for top fuel dragsters. I'd suggest getting a bottle brush to make sure you get out as much funkies as possible when cleaning. If some syrup goes bad, maybe use some bleach/water solution to sanitize your glass bottles before the next batch. Funky plastic bottles I'd probably toss. howlinowl |
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Fri, May 6, 2016 5:57 AM
Maybe an overly simple point, but, if your syrup goes bad, it will happen on top. So before you pour that bottle, look closely at the surface of the liquid and the edges where it touches. That is where you'll see mold. Also possibly on the sides above the liquid. This also requires clear containers. If the sugar content is high enough and the alcohol around 70 proof, you should be good, but regardless, sometimes they go south. |
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Fri, May 6, 2016 7:08 AM
I make all of my syrups hot process, and pour into sterilized jars while still warm, then store in the fridge. I also make all of my simple syrups into invert syrups. Here's a good explanation of invert simple syrup, and why cold process simple syrup will spoil so quickly: http://cocktailjen.blogspot.com/2007/04/not-so-simple-syrup.html Basically, you have to add a little cream of tartar or citric acid, and boil it for a while. The molecules bond better with the water and are unable to support bacteria, so no spoilage. |
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Fri, May 6, 2016 7:22 AM
For vanilla and cinnamon syrup, I don't actually make separate syrups. I made this chart: Cinnamon or Vanilla Simple Syrup Equivalents To simple syrup, add: I have 2 eye dropper bottles on my countertop, one with vanilla extract and one with cinnamon extract. For my bottles, one dash is as much as I can get into the dropper, which is about 24 drops. It's super simple to dose out, and now I don't have special cinnamon or vanilla syrups going bad on me any more. And, it tastes the same as making special syrups with vanilla beans or cinnamon sticks, but with a lot less hassle. |
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Sat, May 7, 2016 11:42 AM
Thanks for that link. I've heard a lot about invert sugar but never really comprehended it. I didn't realize making a 2:1 syrup makes it invert, although I don't usually simmer for the suggested 5-7 minutes. When making a rich syrup I start stirring with a whisk pretty much from the time I put it on heat and by the time it starts to bubble a bit, the sugar is mostly dissolved. I worry that simmering too long will change the flavor and consistency of the syrup. Is that not a concern? Good to know about the cream of tartar but how much is a little bit, or a "pinch" as the article suggests? That would have to be relative to the amount being made.
Last night I boiled water in a huge pot and submerged my glass bottles in them for several minutes after taking the metal clamps off. A lot of the dirty particles broke away and the bottles mostly don't smell of the previous syrup anymore. I will definitely look for one of those bottle brushes. Thanks for the suggestion!
Wow, will definitely have to give this method a try! I don't think I realized cinnamon extract existed. |
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Sat, May 7, 2016 12:11 PM
I would base the pinch size on the amount of syrup you are making. Just a bit is needed to help kick off the chemical reaction. I've never noticed a flavor difference - it still just tastes like sweetness basically. You can buy cinnamon extract, but I make my own. Here's the recipe: Cinnamon Tincture Cinnamon (see note) 1 oz. or 1/4 cup
About cinnamon: The fresher, the better. If possible, use cinnamon chunks or sticks. Source – Jeffrey Morgenthaler, The Bar Book I used cinnamon chunks from Penzey's spices, but use whatever you like. Once I got the ratio of cinnamon extract to simple syrup right, it tastes exactly the same as making cinnamon simple syrup. And it lasts a lot longer. Feel free to double or triple the recipe if you want. |
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Thu, May 19, 2016 7:17 PM
The citric acid in that invert sugar should be good for preservation of color and possibly even extension of shelf/fridge life. I very much want to do a side-by-side of a juice based syrup with citric acid and without. I have mangoes and while they are not a typical Tiki ingredient, I very much enjoy mango in my own rhum rhapsodies:] let's see if I can get a few moments on Monday to give it a test run. |
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Sun, May 22, 2016 8:23 PM
To avoid fridge crowding and erratic use, I tend to make most syrups a la minute. I keep a supply of rich cane simple (2:1) in the fridge, which is very stable. Then it's just a matter of quick dilutions (simple), additions (passion fruit puree), or rapid infusions (vanilla, cinnamon, falernum). The ISI whipper turns out a fantastic cinnamon,ginger, or vanilla syrup in less than two minutes. Falernum takes about 15 minutes because of zesting the limes, but that's still short-notice-friendly. And Morgenthaler's grenadine tastes great and is just a few magic microwave moments away. |
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Tue, Jul 12, 2016 9:03 PM
Copied this conversation from this thread: http://www.tikicentral.com/viewtopic.php?topic=20234&forum=10&start=last#end as I felt it would be useful here...
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Mon, Jan 2, 2017 3:41 PM
I'm not sure everyone will like this solution. But it works great for me. I use a combination of sodium benzoate and potassium sorbate to preserve my syrups. I picked it up from the book Craft Cocktails at home (https://www.amazon.com/Craft-Cocktails-Home-Contemporary-Crowd-Pleasers/dp/0615766382/?tag=se-comment-20&tag=se-comment-20), but I modified it to make the math easier to do the math. Basically you can mix 2.5g each of potassium sorbate and sodium benzoate with 95g of water. This solution will keep indefinitely. Now let's say you have a cup of simple syrup. That would be 200g of sugar and 227g of sugar. The FDA says both of those additives are safe up to .1% by weight. So, we'd want to add .447g of each to the syrup. Since our solution is 2.5% of the additive, we take .447/.025 and that means we need about 17g of solution to add to our syrup (17 x 2.5% = .425). Now our new syrup is 444g and .425g of it are the preservatives. So it's .0957% preservative, below what the FDA says is safe, so you could drink your syrup straight with no ill effects. All that math may seem hard, but there are shortcuts. Simply weigh your syrup and multiply by .04. Always round down for safety. Having your syrup at .08% is probably fine for preservation. Though keep in mind that you're going to further dilute it in most cocktails, so you're only getting near the safety limit if you drink the syrup straight. Also, since you're adding water to your syrup, you should probably add in an equal amount of sugar (or double the sugar if you are doing a 2:1). So in the example of a 1:1 syrup with a cup of sugar. While it's heating, add 17g of preservative solution and 17g of sugar (.04 x 447 = 17.88). This does lower the percent of preservative, but not enough to worry about. It would be .425/461 = .092%. You can find both preservatives at most homebrew shops. And Amazon stocks them as well. As a note. This will only keep the syrup from growing mold/yeast. If you have problems with it crystallizing you can add a pinch or two of cream of tartar and/or add a bit of invert sugar (corn syrup or glucose syrup). It also won't prevent oxidization. I haven't noticed that being a problem in passion fruit syrup or grenadine (but I don't keep them that long). It could probably be a bigger deal in orgeat as their will be quite a bit of fat from the almonds which can oxidize. [ Edited by: arbeck 2017-01-02 15:47 ] |
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