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I have owned Beatles albums and I don't get it either. They just seem like a pop band. I don't put a lot of credit in that any more than I think Michael Jackson and Brittany Spears are awesome because they sold a lot of records and are on the radio a lot. I also do not for a moment think the Beatles did anything new or out there. They may have done some funky stuff for a pop band, but, just compare what Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart were recording at the same time. That was new and out there. Maybe they were the bridge from Pat Boone and the Stones. Pop sounds on the lighter side and looking like long hair rockers. But, alas, they were just pop stars to me.

On 2006-10-19 08:23, Swanky wrote:
I also do not for a moment think the Beatles did anything new or out there. They may have done some funky stuff for a pop band, but, just compare what Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart were recording at the same time. That was new and out there. Maybe they were the bridge from Pat Boone and the Stones. Pop sounds on the lighter side and looking like long hair rockers. But, alas, they were just pop stars to me.

I LOVE that, Swanky;-)

Hilarious and oh so true!

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There's a famous story related in the book "Jazz Anecdotes" where Stan Kenton is on the bus talking to his band saying something to the effect of "we've got to find a new way, something different that we're not doing..." One of his horn players says "Well Stan, we could try....swinging." Now that's from a guy that was actually IN the band. There's another story where an arranger says something like "Stan Kenton raises his baton and 20 trumpet players scream and 20 violins play and I can tell exactly what he's doing but Duke Ellington raises a finger, three horns make a sound and I have no idea what just happened." But I will give that "Live at the Tropicana" a shot. Maybe all the Kenton I've heard is the pompous stuff. He just strikes me as being the white bread of jazz, lowest common denominator stuff for the suburbanites who were afraid of the real stuff.

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Christopher Cross won awards, too didn't he?

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I tried... I went to Amazon and listened to the samples of "Live at the Vegas Tropicana".Sounded like Kenton all right. To each his own I guess.

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I never got the Beatles until David Okeefe gave me his original sculpture of Beatles Reunion 2000 and Palm Farmer Johnny gave me his original Denny Dent (the one he painted on "That's Incredible") of Lennon who we placed looking from beyond over his bandmates. Now I "got the Beatles."

Yeah, that's a Crazy Al Chess Set and a Tiki King uke.
I got Tiki Central schwag all over the place.

The early 60s surf, Northwest garage rock, and girl group scenes (all before the Beatles) had a big influence on youth forming bands, so there was an explosion of garage bands in the U.S. even before the Beatles. By the time the Beatles hit the U.S. with their matching outfits and similar haircuts recycling American R & B and Rock 'n Roll, a lot of American bands around said "so what?". People criticize the Monkees for being a "manufactured" band, but the Beatles were a raw pot-smoking R & B band wearing black leather and sporting pompadours before George Martin "manufactured" their clean image. I do admit that they were huge with teeny bopper girls, and that Lennon and McCartney were great songwriters.

But other British bands like the Rolling Stones, Yardbirds, Troggs, and Kinks (and dozens of others) were a huge influence on mid-60s garage bands all over the world because they didn't wear uniforms, they had a tougher sound, they had longer hair, and they just seemed more rebellious, which always attracts teenagers. The Beatles were safe anough for your parents to like them, so that instantly made them less than cool to like. IMO, the mid-60s explosion of a band in every garage was the best thing to happen to popular music since the early days of rock 'n roll in the mid 50s.

Almost every interview I've read in the last 25 years with members of 60s garage bands bears this out.

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quote: "A big change in my life came around 1974 when "happy days" came on the air. From the first moment I heard "rock around the clock" I was hooked on rock and roll. Me and my friends would act out the entire episodes from the night before. I never got to by the Fonz, but I sure wanted to be."

So what you're saying is that your life and Beatle hating 'tude was shaped by not getting to be "The Fonz"?"Ayyyyy"....:D

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On 2006-05-08 08:49, lucas vigor wrote:

The beatles are just about as anti-tiki as they get.

Ya reckon?

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Shine on you crazy diamond!

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Dude, you need to take two steps back and one deep breathe. There is a big difference between music passion and pissed.

4 Dirty hippies with prince Valiant hairdos wearing some Tikis for a picture

Lucas Vigor, I have tried and tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and be kind, but for example..."dirty hippies"? I'm gonna take a wild guess here, but this photo of The Beatles was probably taken a year or two before the hippie phenomenon even got underway. So my conclusion once again is that your hate for The Beatles comes from some kind of insecure non-conformist, uneducated direction. Admit it. You hate them because they have already had heaps of praise. End of story.You can list all of these obscurish musicians you like, and try to prove how your musical tastes are "really, really,real..man", 'til you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day, if you are really the so-called intellectual music lover that you over-emphasisingly purport to be, you would at least recognize the merit of the Beatles, and not stoop to this 'dirty hippie' business. You gotta be kidding me with that. If the The Beatles are nothing but 'dirty hippies' than you my friend are just some overcompensating music loving fake. Anything you say from this point on is null and void. Get back on the space ship, cue up the Eagles 'Hotel California' album and return to 'Planet Phoney'. Yr outta here!!!

Oh my my, you bad, LOL ... lucas vigor, someone said it. I to appreciate a great or even a good musician. I have seen you with the SM your very good. Sorry I haven't heard any of your porn music as you spoke of in your bio. Maybe I need to get out more?...naw... I think I would just keep those bragging rights to myself. All I wanted to say was....nothing... I think donhonyc said it all. Oh here's a tip; wanna be a "HIPSTER"? don't name drop... Please, let this one go, "Keep it Tiki Hipsters" HiPHipAHuLA!!

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OK, here goes...Monk, Mingus, Miles, Gene Ammons, Sonny Stitt,Ben Webster, Dexter Gordon,Sonny Rollins,Charlie Parker,Paul Desmond,Lester Young,Coleman Hawkins,Tommy Flanagan,Red Garland,Wynton Kelly,Horace Parlan, Horace Silver,Paul Chambers, Milt Hinton, Leroy Vinegar,Curley Russell,Wilber Ware...Hey, how about Plas Johnson.He played tenor sax on "The Pink Panther" and numerous sessions for Les Baxter. Awesome tone.

Danny Richmond, Art Blakey, Shelly Manne, Kenny Clarke, Jim Hughart, Bill Goodwin, Pete Christlieb, Frank Vicari, Jack Sheldon,Art Farmer, Jimmy Knepper, John Gilmore, Clifford Jordan, Clifford Brown...

On 2006-10-27 13:07, kikekeki wrote:
quote: "A big change in my life came around 1974 when "happy days" came on the air. From the first moment I heard "rock around the clock" I was hooked on rock and roll. Me and my friends would act out the entire episodes from the night before. I never got to by the Fonz, but I sure wanted to be."

So what you're saying is that your life and Beatle hating 'tude was shaped by not getting to be "The Fonz"?"Ayyyyy"....:D

...it was a J-O-K-E... I was trying to make light of this thread...

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On 2006-10-29 17:58, saxotica wrote:
OK, here goes...Monk, Mingus, Miles, Gene Ammons, Sonny Stitt,Ben Webster, Dexter Gordon,Sonny Rollins,Charlie Parker,Paul Desmond,Lester Young,Coleman Hawkins,Tommy Flanagan,Red Garland,Wynton Kelly,Horace Parlan, Horace Silver,Paul Chambers, Milt Hinton, Leroy Vinegar,Curley Russell,Wilber Ware...Hey, how about Plas Johnson.He played tenor sax on "The Pink Panther" and numerous sessions for Les Baxter. Awesome tone.

OK HERE GOES. "CAPTAIN GEACH & THE SHRIMP SHACK SHOOTERS!!"