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Appellate Ruling Bars Hawaiian Only Admissions policy
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Wed, Aug 3, 2005 5:59 PM
A federal appeals court yesterday delivered a devastating blow to Kamehameha Schools' practice of giving admissions preference to students of Hawaiian blood. In a 2-1 decision, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the admissions policy violates federal civil rights laws first passed in 1866 barring private institutions from discriminating on the basis of race. http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050803/NEWS01/508030349 |
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Wed, Aug 3, 2005 6:42 PM
Being a lurker on a few Hawaiian message board groups, this is a really big deal. |
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Thu, Aug 4, 2005 11:04 AM
The article mentioned that there was preferential treatment when admitting those of Hawaiian descent. Later it said the schools admitted ONLY those of Hawaiian descent. Which one is it? |
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christiki295
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Thu, Aug 4, 2005 6:22 PM
It is a “Hawaiians first” admissions policy and the Kamehameha Schools,in 2003, admitted a non-Hawaiian student. However, the Court noted that the record suggests the admission was more the result of accident than design. This is Kamehameha Schools policy: Specifically, the policy articulated by Charles Bishop was that “boys and girls of pure or part aboriginal blood . . . should have preference; that is[,] they should have the first right.” Accordingly, the admissions process at Kamehameha currently proceeds in two phases: first, the applicant must demonstrate that he possesses the minimum qualifications necessary to meet the Schools’ rigorous academic standards and, second, he must complete an “Ethnic Ancestry Survey” designed to verify his aboriginal blood. The Schools forthrightly admit that as long as there are The Court held that Congress can not "authorize a private school to exclusively restrict admission on the basis of an express racial classification." |
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christiki295
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Thu, Aug 4, 2005 6:23 PM
Protests abound - they also may occur in Waikiki. |
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Fri, Aug 5, 2005 6:56 AM
So, are these schools public or private? If these schools are publicly funded, then I can see the non-aboriginal locals having a problem with it. If the schools are private, it sounds like another case of someone trying to legislate thier sour grapes away. |
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Fri, Aug 5, 2005 2:54 PM
Re: public v. private; For the most part established law says it doesn't matter if it's public or private, schools can't exist that deny people solely on race-based reasons. |
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christiki295
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Fri, Aug 5, 2005 6:10 PM
Interesting issue, Mahalomo. The "speical relationship with government" was argued, but the Court did not accept it. The Court distinguished the Hawaiians from Native Americans by holding Native Americans were a political group, whereas Hawaiians were a race and the KS could not discriminate on race based on the Equal Rights Act of 1964/Title VII USC. This may be a little convenient because native Americans are also a discrete ethnic group (but I don't know if the underlying briefs addressed that issue). The Akaka bill seemingly could enable K-schools to more closely resemble native Americans once it passes and provides "Nation within a Nation status" - but it remains stalled in the Senate. The Court did provide a full paragraph about the uniqueness of Hawaii and Hawaiians, but that did not carry the day. Maybe the true battle is yet to come - if KS admits only 20% non-Hawaiians and then immediately destroys admission records, so as to prevent them from being available for future lawsuits by non-Hawaiians claiming their grades were better. |
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mahalomo
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Sat, Aug 6, 2005 7:00 AM
Sorry. You're right. What I meant to say was that in the decision the court said, "Appellees concede [the purpose of admissions classifications] to be exclusively racial in nature, design, and purpose." But then I guess they couldn't effectively argue a distinct and recognized "political" status since such a status doesn't exist the way it does with Native Americans. That is, until the Akaka bill passes. IF it passes. Too bad, really. I understand the ruling - no discrimination, of course, is a good thing. But it would be helpful to recognize Native Hawaiians as "nations within nations", or at least "domestic dependent nations" like Native Americans (and less so Alaskan Natives) so that these sorts of schools and programs can exist within their communities. I'm sending my mana their way for good vibes. |
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Sat, Aug 6, 2005 5:32 PM
Okay. I'm still confused. Is the school (or are the schools) Private or Public? I understand that any school has a hard time getting by these days without some money from the Federal Government (Gee... Wonder why...?). Even "Private" doesn't mean, always, without Public Interest. But I haven't seen it stated in this thread or in any News Report whether this is a private school or a public school. This would (and should, of course) have a great deal of impact on how I (or anyone else who pays taxes in America) feels about the admissions policy. |
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Sat, Aug 6, 2005 7:46 PM
Here are the first two paragraphs from the news article: ***A federal appeals court yesterday delivered a devastating blow to Kamehameha Schools' practice of giving admissions preference to students of Hawaiian blood. In a 2-1 decision, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the admissions policy violates federal civil rights laws first passed in 1866 barring private institutions from discriminating on the basis of race.*** Sounds like the Kamehameha Schools are private. |
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Sun, Aug 7, 2005 12:09 AM
The Public Radio story I was listening to indicated that although private, the schools were accredited by the government and did not pay any property taxes. Thus I suppose that the government exerts some control over policies. The Kamehameha Schools are the largest private property owners in all of Hawaii. If they had to pay property taxes, it would bankrupt the schools. Sabu |
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mahalomo
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Sun, Aug 7, 2005 5:11 AM
I only read the case quickly, but I'll try to give a quick run-down of my understanding (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). Courts have held that even private schools cannot discriminate solely on the basis of race. This school doesn't receive any federal money, and the court doesn't go into the fact that they have tax exempt status. |
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christiki295
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Sun, Aug 7, 2005 12:18 PM
The Court repeatedly used the phrase, "absolute bar" to admissions by non-Hawaiians. In my opinion, it allowed the inference that if the K-schools admit, say, 20% non-Hawaiians, it might by okay. The Court distinguished Hawaiians from Native American tribes in two ways, holding that Congress has not always linked the two and, on occasion, has specifically excluded native-Hawaiians groups from the laws benefiting Native-Americans. Congress also defines certain tribes recognized by the federal government as political entities, as opposed to a racial category of all Native Americans. The Court also repeated law that the anti-discrimination statutes apply to non-governmental entities as well as public entities. Therefore, the anti-discrimination statutes are applicable to KS, regardless of whether it receives federal funding (which, as Sabu pointed out, it does not.) |
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christiki295
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Sun, Aug 7, 2005 3:34 PM
Now that this is thread in Beyond Tiki, I no longer have to measure my Post: The decision is a travesty and merely the latest in a long line of situations in which the federal government has, and continues to, subjugate Hawaiians. The Court provided a strict scrutiny legal rational to justify overlooking the basic underlying premises:
Even the Court had to acknowledge the role the US government has played in subjecting Hawaiians and the how Hawaiians score the highest on the negative socioeconomic indicators: (1) lower education, (2) incarceration (3) homelessness, etc. The KS schools are possible the last and best way to enable Hawaiians to help themselves, "by their own bootstraps," by the Hawaiian schools. |
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christiki295
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Fri, Aug 26, 2005 6:15 PM
Which of those boards are the most fun? |
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Tue, Aug 30, 2005 5:42 PM
[ Edited by: Geeky Tiki 2005-08-30 17:44 ] |
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Tue, Aug 30, 2005 6:55 PM
I am inclined to agree with Geeky Tiki. I think there's an unwritten notion afoot that "oppression" means "what white people do (and did) to nonwhite people." Besides being historically inaccurate, it can cause people (willingly or unwillingly) to not perceive oppression that doesn't fit that particular script. Idealizing precolonial pasts is one example of this. I'm not trying to caricature anyone's views, and respect the passion for this topic exhibited by some, but for heaven's sake, those were extremely turbulent times, with colonial fever in high pitch, and fascistic, racial-supremicist ideologies taking hold in some major European and Asian countries, which also eyed Hawaii with great interest to put it mildly. Times were tough, if not cataclysmic, all over, and frankly I don't think that ending up part of a democratic, multicultural, largely federalistic republic with civil liberties and a free-market economy has been the worst of outcomes for Hawaii, given the easily imaginable alternatives. No, I'm not an expert, but common sense just kind of speaks to me here. |
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Wed, Aug 31, 2005 6:18 PM
Aloha, Geeky Tiki & Thomas, Your question, "Tell me how that's a more enlightened culture than what is in place now" was already addressed by my issue that Hawaii was its own nation and the U.S. took it over. Now the U.S. continues to subjugate native Hawaiians by depriving it of the full access to the K-Schools. Your comment that as the US can overtake over nations, just so long as it does "not undertake genocide" of those peoples appears, at best, misguided. I do not believe in "might makes right," nor our subjective belief that our "moral authority" based on having a "better democracy" provides the U.S. with post-hoc justification for the invasion of Hawaii and the overthrow or annexation of the Hawaiian government. However, the U.S. Supreme Court failed to provide weight to the historical facts in order to justify its decision against the K-schools. The Court also failed to acknowledge that native Americans are just as much as a race as native Hawaiians because native-Americans are a protected race, not merely a political institution under Title VII, which Congress also passed. [ Edited by: christiki295 2005-08-31 18:24 ] |
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Wed, Aug 31, 2005 9:37 PM
Hi, Christiki, I wasn't implying a "might means right" approach. I was pointing out that the ruling party in Hawaii had hands that were as blood stained as any. It was basically a totalitarian state that has now been romanticized into a nation of enlightened hippie-like hula dancers and men who juggled torches. The literacy rate was zero, the ability to work hard and change one's social status was minimal. Why is it so romanticized, because at least it was natives oppressing natives? I'm not trying to justify white man hegemony, but I think we should keep in mind that all civilations are built on the bones of the vanquished, so perhaps U.S. acquisition of the place was less cruel than having left things as they were or waiting for another civilization to come in and wipe out the whole sheebang. My poor ancestors may have been driven out of Ireland, but I don't have any quaint notions of returning to someplace that is five generations removed in history to demand reparations or a new sovereignty. If we thought things like that, we'd have to find out who the Native Americans had vanquished before Columbus arrived and settle up with them, too. Every square inch of the planet is inhabited by those who drove out the people who were there previously - this return to Eden stuff is a little too too. I'm just getting victim fatigue, I guess. I apologize for sounding harsh, I don't mean to make you feel like I'm aiming anything at you on a person to person level in this argument. Especially now that only us cool people with the wherewithall to pony up funds are posting on this exclusive forum. I bet it excludes many native Hawaiians and may not make for a fair argument. [ Edited by: Geeky Tiki 2005-08-31 22:23 ] |
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Wed, Aug 31, 2005 10:41 PM
Christiki, first of all let me say that I'm reminded of why we aren't supposed to discuss politics on TC -- because even gentle, civil disagreements like this can get testy. (Thank goodness we seem to be classy enough to avoid this, but we can all feel that potential I think.) Who needs it? Anyway, I think that in order to sustain a sense of historical grievance on the part of an ethnic group, one has to fight some strong headwinds, such as the explosion of "intermarriage" in modern societies, as well as social mobility (for example, "Hawaiians" are everywhere, and people from "everywhere" now reside in Hawaii), and modern thinking in general which eschews tribalism and regards the future as intrinsically more interesting than the past. I think these are all good things; others don't. To those that choose to fight them, I say, good luck -- you'll need it. The desire among many, though certainly not all, "ethnic Hawaiians" to retain the use of traditional lifeways, language, etc., is interesting. But it is rightly a matter for voluntary initiative on the part of persons and groups, in the realm of "civil society," not government. I could go on, but I see that Geeky Tiki has (again) expressed my approximate viewpoint better than I could anyway. Instead, I'll say that I'm ready to give this a rest (though gladly cede you the last word). Hope to meet you some day (and discuss anything but politics!). Best wishes. |
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Thu, Sep 1, 2005 5:58 PM
True enough, the grass skirt clad hula dancer, and the nostaligic Hawaiiana in general, often serves as a stereotypical summary which fails to address the very serious, complex and not often easily resolved issues which face contemporary Hawaii, one of which we have discussed above. |
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christiki295
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Thu, Sep 1, 2005 6:08 PM
"What is Hawaiian is not an easy issue (I used the phrase inappropriately in another thread & then fell all over myslef trying to make amends). Here is how the KS desribes it: "Specifically, the policy articulated by Charles Bishop was that “boys and girls of pure or part aboriginal blood . . . should have preference; that is[,] they should have the first right.” However, to determine aboriginal blood, the candidate "completes an “Ethnic Ancestry Survey” designed to verify his aboriginal blood." |
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christiki295
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Thu, Sep 1, 2005 6:10 PM
Sorry if I came across too strong - sometimes my work tone inadvertently gets the better of me. Aloha, Chris. |
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