Should we shag now or shag later--Haunted Mansion 40th Anniversary

I'm Disney as much as I am Tiki so when those worlds cross paths like when the artist Shag is at Disneyland....I'm there.

When I got there the line was all the way down main street....and that was just the line to look at and buy stuff---there was another line going the other way on main street to get things signed

There was some Shag Disney shirts in one of the stores before i got in line

Here is a dude walking down main street with Mansion Shag Hawaiian shirt

After a long wait I finally got into the Disneyana store

Posing with Shag Tiki Style

Shag signing

What I got
A cool Postcard set that I want to turn into a collage or something

and a cool set of Mansion coasters

and then of course took a quick trip over to the Mansion

See you all at Tiki Oasis

[ Edited by: Pineappleman11 2009-08-09 21:08 ]

That's cool. I love the Haunted House in Disneyland and Disneyworld. The Imagineers at Disney really knew how to create an illusion in the analog/pre-digital days. I was in Disneyland last summer and went on. It's good to see that they have pretty much left it alone, especially these days when everybody is so concerned with updating stuff and ruining whatever was original. Happy B-day to the Haunted House and the 'Ghost Host'. Those Shag Haunted House shirts are cool too.

Great post and a really good reason to go to Disneyland again.....

Very nice, I got to meet shag at his house, when we did the TIKI ROOM Documentary DVD, if you have not
yet watched SHAG in our DVD on the history of the Tiki Room, take a look now at:

http://02d992c.netsolstores.com/thetikiroomstory.aspx

and if you love the Haunted Mansion please see:

http://02d992c.netsolstores.com/thehauntedmansionstorydvdspecialedition.aspx

Nice!! How could anyone not love Shag's artwork. There was some cool stuff of his being sold in the Hard Rock Las Vegas Casino a while back.

The Disney Haunted Mansion stuff is sweet indeed.

[ Edited by: shred 2009-08-10 21:12 ]

Ok, I am torn between the above advertisement here(extinctattractions).
On one hand, David has put out quite a few interesting Disneyland Park related DVDs/documentaries, or so I've heard.
But on the other hand, alot if not most of his music CDs were apparently "borrowed"(me being P.C.) without any credit given to the original people who took the time to "up" the music into digitized mp3 formats, such as past employees of Disney and other "sound geeks" in general, who wanted to share the obscure/lost/obsolete soundtracks.

For a quick example, the Lanai background music loop played in the 1960s and throughout the mid 1970s in Adventureland. Disneyland's Adventureland had loops of music that included some original exotica tracks composed by the Disney Music Department as well as actual Martin Denny and other famous exotica greats and rotated songs every so often. Now the filesharing people who obtained original playlists and actual reels of audio played throughout the park were doing it for the love and preservation of said music to others interested, and I'm sure it shouldn't have been much of a problem, as we will probably never hear Augie Colon or Arthur Lyman played in the Adventureland area ever again. Most of the music that was shared was from the Park's earliest years up to the 1980s.

The Disney ThemePark music group swapped files, and shared information about how the music was influential to the land it was played in, and indirectly drew a historic musical timeline. Main Street, Tomorrowland, Fantasyland, Frontierland, Adventureland etc..etc.. all had its own background music loops, and these guys knew their music, as well as what approximate years the playlists were played in each land. Pretty cool stuff to read about on the forum, as well!

Now, without getting into the "legalities" of whether or not the music uploaded/shared to the netgroup was alright with Disney, isn't as much an issue to me, as much as a person copying someone else's work and selling it for profit, without even a name/names credit given in the inside CD covers. Basically, it is like someone coming in here and copying an artists "signature" tiki carving or illustrated monkey, and then reselling it under another name or brand.

Tiki Central is not new to plagiarism, or even straight out copying or ripping off, and alot of threads on TC are about copying/ripping off art or art style. I have nothing personal against David, in fact I kind of applaud the historical angle of his business. BUT I do hold a brow lower, due to his business ethics, especially in the music/soundtrack area. Just because one groups sharings might be considered questionable, doesn't mean you should outright rip them off just because what they are doing might not exactly be legitimate. Bottom line is, David wouldn't have had most of the CD soundtracks he's acquired through open sharing, if it weren't for all of the people who took the time to digitize the music in the first place.

Which brings me to the closing of my long drawn out story. Alot of the people who started the Disney background music group no longer participate or share their files to anyone. The group might as well not exist. He burned some people and crushed some of the people's spirits in the wake of his leeching of the music files, by basically bootlegging a CD from bootlegged files for profit.

Albeit, my understanding is that, he was granted some type(?) of permission from Disney execs after the fact, which makes it seem all the more dirtier to me. Disney didn't exactly roll out the red carpet and dig out their music archives just for him to copy and sell their soundtracks and sound effects.

Maybe it shouldn't bother me, since I am not one of the people who got burned. But I guess I was effected indirectly, since this group no longer shares the Rare/probably never to be heard again tracks or playlists. After David had discovered this small group, started getting the files, and then came out with their music on his CD volumes, pretty much everyone who shared the rarities, just shut down, and talked about the "backstabbing" on the messageboard.

Most of this is 3rd party info, but I personally read in depth topics about this, and the stories all pretty much have the same ending, even on different Disney related messageboards/communities. I am reporting what I have read and calling it out, because I don't think that someone should reap the benefits of other's fruitful labors, and then take full credit while profiting from it. At minimum, he should have at least credited the site from which the files came from.

Sorry to rant off topic, but since David posted here to obviously exploit his wares, I felt compelled to post and share what I've read and heard.

Now a non-releated idea, and Not to step on pineapplemans toes, but maybe this topic should be moved to beyond tiki, since it is about the Haunted Mansion by Shag, and not about the tiki by Shag?
I attended this event as well, and already posted in beyond tiki under another topic that aquaorama had started. By the way, Nice pics, pineapple! I regret not taking my camera on Sunday, but we always go to Disneyland, and seeing Josh is always fun, but I figured I'd see him at Oasis, or his upcoming show in Culver City in November...
http://www.tikicentral.com/viewtopic.php?topic=33222&forum=6&3

[ Edited by: Tom Slick 2009-08-10 22:34 ]

Ok I will Tiki it up a bit then with Tiki Merchandise from the land of Disney

The Mansion

Wow.. Well that was a pretty interesting read.

I think sometimes big corporations just throw their hands up and say, "we have to move on from this fiasco". It's unfortunate but once a certain level of file sharing is in effect, what can they do? The music industry certainly isn't new to this stuff. Metallica has been screaming about it for a long time. But eventually, they, and their record company, had to just throw their hands up and move on.

I just read on the Fender forum how Fender constantly loses in court over the shape of the Stratocaster being copied by virtually every other guitar company even though they patented the shape. But the courts rule that Fender took too long to enforce their patent, and in fact, put out ads that acknowledged the copies as being inferior, and still didn't act. So now it's considered too little, too late, the damage is done, move on.

This is something that obviously hurts every musician. I've been on the other side of this on a much smaller scale, and I know other musicians who have been burned to the 3rd degree.

But every great musician knows they can write and create more. There's plenty more where that came from inside of them. As you said, they've decided to protect their work much more these days, and that's a wise path. They've now live through the burn, learned from it, now it's time to move forward. Bigger and better music coming up. On their terms this time.

Disney can pump out another pixar, open the parks for another day, and forget all about it. I wouldn't have expected them to do much based on the story you posted. I feel for the musicians though. I really do. It's a horrible feeling when someone makes money off your work without recognition.

I'm new here, so I don't know who this was directed at. I'd like to hear both sides before coming to any personal conclusions about whether someone acted unethically or unlawful.

Edited: This post is in response to Tom Slick.

[ Edited by: shred 2009-08-11 00:21 ]

[ Edited by: shred 2009-08-11 02:09 ]

Pineappleman, nice pics.

I apologise for the off topic discussion.