Thanks Vampiress for your great work with these notes. Thanks everyone else who attended and your involvement. Work prevented me from being there. Ojaitimo Tim
MEETING MINUTES TIKI SHOUT 02-09-07
ACTION PLAN
1.• SOK to post online petition
2.• Ongoing links to community and historical society
3.• Start 2 new threads (one on the TV event and one about the petition options) maybe ask TCers to support the effort through posting links to the petition on their web pages, myspace, links in siggys, etc
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• SOK to get graphic poster of the TV event to post
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New "Sign on Thread" to quantify who's going to be at TV's on 2-17 and 3-17
VampiressRN: yep 19:07:47
Tikisgrl: I'm thinking that things are progressing without moderation. 19:07:38
Son-of-Kelbo: Let the willing Ohana PM to VampRN with their contact info on this. Okay VRN? 19:07:28
VampiressRN: I can take minutes if you want....can TG moderate? 19:07:07
VampiressRN: that would be great....is there any possibility of having a telephone conference or shout for those of us not there....can we sign by way of giving permission for someone to do it for us? 19:06:40
Tikisgrl: nah the regular day to day folks... you would be amazed what they may know! 19:06:35
Son-of-Kelbo: You mean Corporate? They've been contacted. 19:06:08
Tikisgrl: Or you could go in quietly and talk to the people there to find out what they know? 19:05:36
Son-of-Kelbo: VampTiki, are you taking minutes, or is somebody? 19:05:35
Son-of-Kelbo: Y'know, the spend a ton of bucks idea is great. How 'bout the Ohana shows up at TV's BH on Sat. 3-17 and parties like tiki-crazed animals. And then we sign a Petition. 19:04:57
Sneakytiki: Oh okay, I cant figger dis tekno-ology stuff owt. 19:04:50
Tikisgrl: You asked me so I joined you! 19:04:27
Tikisgrl: 'cause I'm already your friend Sneaky check your profile... 19:04:19
Sneakytiki: Hey tikisgirl, I dunno about this myspace stuff, I couldn't find a friend request in my folder 19:03:47
VampiressRN: yeah....don't say em 19:03:41
VampiressRN: that is neat...is he a Beverly Hills resident? 19:03:31
Son-of-Kelbo: Oh the lines that come to mind... 19:03:28
VampiressRN: That is a good idea 19:09:50
VampiressRN: I got a C&P going 19:09:40
Son-of-Kelbo: Shoud we start a new "Sign On" Thread to quantify who's going to be at TV's on 2-17 and 3-17? 19:09:25
VampiressRN: I can copy and paste and send them to you to rearrange will that work out? 19:09:22
Tikisgrl: So what's the historical comission been up to... any successes yet? 19:09:14
Son-of-Kelbo: Let's just save the minutes, then. 19:08:16
VampiressRN: yep 19:07:47
Tikisgrl: I'm thinking that things are progressing without moderation. 19:07:38
Son-of-Kelbo: Let the willing Ohana PM to VampRN with their contact info on this. Okay VRN? 19:07:28
VampiressRN: I can take minutes if you want....can TG moderate? 19:07:07
VampiressRN: that would be great....is there any possibility of having a telephone conference or shout for those of us not there....can we sign by way of giving permission for someone to do it for us? 19:06:40
Tikisgrl: nah the regular day to day folks... you would be amazed what they may know! 19:06:35
Son-of-Kelbo: You mean Corporate? They've been contacted. 19:06:08
VampiressRN: and in the petition thread you can explain how powple that can't attend the TV rally can still participate in signing a petition 19:13:12
Son-of-Kelbo: And "I'll attend the Signing" for the second. 19:13:12
Son-of-Kelbo: Ask the Ohana to post "I'll be there" for the first thread, and 19:12:52
Swamp Tiki: Two? 19:12:48
Tikisgrl: Any word on an internet petition working out? 19:12:38
VampiressRN: yes good idea 19:12:34
Son-of-Kelbo: Two threads. 19:12:14
Son-of-Kelbo: Save Trader Vic's 3-17 Petition Signing 19:12:04
Son-of-Kelbo: Save Trader Vio's 2-17 Sign Up 19:11:39
Son-of-Kelbo: Okay, how 'bout we name it: 19:10:25
VampiressRN: That is a good idea 19:09:50
Son-of-Kelbo: Why do we need to edit a "yea" or "nay", TG? 19:14:34
Swamp Tiki: Hey JC 19:14:14
Tikisgrl: the problem is that we can't edit into other's posts... 19:13:50
Son-of-Kelbo: To kick off the thread, yes. Solid. VRN 19:13:47
Son-of-Kelbo: Aloha, SwampT 19:13:18
VampiressRN: and in the petition thread you can explain how powple that can't attend the TV rally can still participate in signing a petition 19:13:12
Son-of-Kelbo: And "I'll attend the Signing" for the second. 19:13:12
Son-of-Kelbo: Ask the Ohana to post "I'll be there" for the first thread, and 19:12:52
Swamp Tiki: Two? 19:12:48
Tikisgrl: Any word on an internet petition working out? 19:12:38
VampiressRN: yes good idea 19:12:34
Son-of-Kelbo: Two threads. 19:12:14
Son-of-Kelbo: Save Trader Vic's 3-17 Petition Signing 19:12:04
Son-of-Kelbo: Save Trader Vio's 2-17 Sign Up 19:11:39
Son-of-Kelbo: Okay, how 'bout we name it: 19:10:25
Tiki Central Time: 19:18:23
VampiressRN: oh that is even better 19:18:22
Son-of-Kelbo: I can build a special webpage with a downloadable graphic that could be copied and emailed to the Beverly Hills City Council by the global Ohana. Oooo. 19:17:58
VampiressRN: what are metatags? 19:17:57
Swamp Tiki: What about metatags...get attention,,hits? 19:17:35
VampiressRN: there will be no webpage activity...you just print it out 19:17:31
Tikisgrl: That'll work great... 19:17:27
VampiressRN: I am happy to put a petition on one of my blank webpages 19:16:51
VampiressRN: then we can print out the petition and sign and mail it in 19:16:25
Son-of-Kelbo: I totally agree. We need to come up with some kind of dual strategy, one with physical petition, and one that's an online tally/ 19:16:24
Tikisgrl: Web page of some type? 19:16:11
VampiressRN: can't we get an online petition to just sign....if you don't want to then you don't even go to the link? 19:15:53
Tikisgrl: we can't sign a petition on-line in a post here... there are lots of us who can't got to Beverly Hills but would sign as a show of strength 19:15:31
Son-of-Kelbo: Hey CW, how's This Old House going? 19:15:2
ki Central Time: 19:25:14
Tikisgrl: No... ask someone who's got lots of friends to post a bulletin... 19:25:12
VampiressRN: LOL 19:24:49
VampiressRN: it helps me copy and paste 19:24:40
Son-of-Kelbo: Whjat the hea;;e rvwer wew talking abouttt/? 19:24:39
VampiressRN: I'm doing Hypnotiq 19:24:31
VampiressRN: :) 19:24:16
Son-of-Kelbo: 'Sokay, ST, a mai tai or two helps with the typing... 19:24:06
VampiressRN: LOL...it is hard to use I think...but a link off her myspace would be good 19:24:03
Tikisgrl: LOL... 19:23:51
Sneakytiki: Hi swamp, kelbosan, vamp 19:23:50
Tikisgrl: Tiki farms got lot's of friends... 19:23:41
Sneakytiki: TG, i just spent a few minutes figgerin dis new teknolowgee, thx forbeing patient. 19:23:23
Tikisgrl: I mean all your friends... 19:23:01
VampiressRN: excellent TG 19:22:55
Tikisgrl: goes to everyone in your network... 19:22:54
Tikisgrl: My Space Bulletin... 19:22:40
VampiressRN: I'll put a link on my webpage too 19:22:37
Tikisgrl: oooh.... 19:22:34
VampiressRN: cool swamp 19:22:28
Son-of-Kelbo: Nice. Nice. 19:22:27
VampiressRN: some of us could even add the link to our signatures as a show of support 19:21:54
Swamp Tiki: I could put a link on my company's website... 19:21:54
Son-of-Kelbo: Nice. 19:21:45
Tikisgrl: Link in TC bump it once a day? 19:21:26
Son-of-Kelbo: I did too. Waiting to hear back from Patricia in the Calif. Hist. Office, CW 19:21:23
Son-of-Kelbo: Let's agree on how to get the out about finding the page. 19:20:50
VampiressRN: I liked the wording in Swamp's document 19:20:08
Swamp Tiki: What can we do to help you move this forward? 19:20:03
Son-of-Kelbo: Solid. 19:19:29
Tiki Central Time: 19:30:26
VampiressRN: the sight can monitor hits...but what about printouts...can it monitor that 19:30:00
Sneakytiki: Aloha kelbosen 19:29:58
Son-of-Kelbo: It can have anything we all want it to. We'll establish a "ToWhomItMayConcern" list by next 2-17. 19:29:50
Sneakytiki: No problem Tg 19:29:49
VampiressRN: can the petition have the mailing list at the bottom of the page...that might help people follow through 19:28:45
Swamp Tiki: Is there a way to stock pile their data as its submitted? For the record.. 19:28:43
Son-of-Kelbo: Aloha, ST! 19:28:17
Tikisgrl: Great picture Sneaky thanks for sharing... 19:28:12
VampiressRN: oh....wow...that is interesting...thanks swamp 19:27:54
Son-of-Kelbo: :) Okay, I can build and post the custom page for this. The idea being that visitors will download a graphic "Save TV's BH" thingy, and then email it on to the A List Of Concerned Politicos/Media Maestros/ and the Calif Preservation Society -- ? 19:27:37
Swamp Tiki: Historic Preservation network stretches far...can get intererst with a few extra emails 19:27:25
VampiressRN: Swamp...what is a metatag? 19:27:15
Tikisgrl: there are a lot of myspacer's with lot's of friends who are also tcer's 19:25:30
Sneakytiki: lol hiccup 19:25:14
tekoteko: I'd rather see Vic's in Seattle, Dallas, Florida, Etc...there's already a billion california locations. 19:40:03
VampiressRN: SOK is going to do an online version 19:39:53
Sneakytiki: Won't you be my neighbor? 19:39:42
tekoteko: unless you think TC can come up with millions of dollars 19:39:41
Tikisgrl: @ TV's & most important the historical society is doing well? 19:39:40
tekoteko: Look...it's better for Vic's to sell the beverly hill's location...makes em a stronger corporation 19:39:33
VampiressRN: we are working on ways to alert folks to the petition 19:39:23
Tikisgrl: posts about the 2 meetings... 19:39:14
tekoteko: Sneaky...I'm gonna try and get you to be myfriend 19:39:13
Tikisgrl: Yup... online petition 19:39:05
tekoteko: Filzer! 19:38:59
filslash: Shout is the WILD WEST. 19:38:59
VampiressRN: we had some good ideas going...lets keep up the pace 19:38:50
Sneakytiki: Oh! I'll be ANYBODIES friend, for candy. Cigz or 4 free iffn'they b a looker 19:38:46
VampiressRN: Back on topic folks 19:38:34
Son-of-Kelbo: VampRN, will you moderate? 19:38:22
filslash: hmmpt. 19:38:10
tekoteko: TG is a myspace slut! 19:37:52
filslash: hi 19:37:42
Sneakytiki: you must needs go en looky at my fine craftzmenshit in creARTING OTHER krafts teekee, cos i wanna be wanted 19:37:40
Tikisgrl: Chain yes... 19:42:34
VampiressRN: but the decor and history of the building and the business in that same location might help 19:42:27
Sneakytiki: I are Eveil 19:42:21
filslash: Actually, no it's part of a chain... 19:42:11
tekoteko: and to beat a developer you gotta have TONS of DOUGH. 19:42:07
VampiressRN: I think the bar angle might anger some people 19:42:06
Swamp Tiki: Do I hear a "deveil's advocate?" 19:42:00
tekoteko: You can't SAVE it without MONEY. 19:41:54
tekoteko: who cares if it's "Original"? 19:41:43
Son-of-Kelbo: Grrrr. 19:41:32
Tikisgrl: It's one of the last remaining original tiki bars... 19:41:24
tekoteko: it's not like Trader Vic's is historically significant...it's a kitschy restaurant. 19:41:16
VampiressRN: the graphic poster...who is doing that again+ 19:41:13
filslash: ARRGH. 19:41:03
Tikisgrl: they are the corporation the other ones not the heart & soul... 19:41:01
tekoteko: So what? 19:40:53
Sneakytiki: Dont' know whatcha got til it's gone, flix bic lighter while drinking warm beer from a plastic cup... 19:44:34
Son-of-Kelbo: Sorry, I though you'd appreciate it. 19:44:27
VampiressRN: I liked Bamboo Bens idea of getting on a radio talk show 19:44:12
Tikisgrl: Seriously now... to argue the point again. The historical significance is it's longevity, not that it is a Trader Vics "Name Brand" 19:44:09
filslash: 'Scuse me? Benedict Arnold? Thats an ASSWIPE comment.. 19:44:02
tekoteko: I'd rather the Bellevue, WA location be open and financially strong than one location stay open because it's "historical" 19:43:57
VampiressRN: how are things going with the Beverly Hills locals...is it still in the newspapers 19:43:54
Swamp Tiki: You can never know where your going if you don't know where you've been....architecture, baby.. 19:43:49
Son-of-Kelbo: It's the Location that's the import link to the place's past.' 19:43:43
tekoteko: No reason for Vic's to have to absorbthe cost of remaining open when they are probably lookin at a sweet buyout. 19:43:39
Tikisgrl: LOL 19:43:25
Sneakytiki: If you BEAT the developer you can substitute them for eggs and make your own dough. 19:43:15
tekoteko: SoK...welcome to SHOUT. Where you can SHOUT whatever you want. 19:43:13
tekoteko: and THE CHAIN should not SUFFER for the LOCATION. 19:42:58
Son-of-Kelbo: Not historically significant? Do you know who's appeared there over the years? Save the Benedict Arnold stuff for a private post, neh? 19:42:55
Tiki Central Time: 19:46:03
tekoteko: YES! And Trader Vic's PROFITING is important! 19:46:01
tekoteko: Good Point Sneaky...if we got Joni Mitchell to donate $15mil to the Save Trader Vic's (single location) fund...then it might work! 19:45:45
Tikisgrl: They destroy stuff for progress and it really means profit... 19:45:45
Sneakytiki: I hope the Holly Vix is saved, dunno if outtatowners from the hills count on any land development issues tho. 19:45:26
Tikisgrl: Everything old will be gone soon is that a good thing? 19:45:11
Swamp Tiki: Don't forget the folk art on the building is irreplacable.. 19:44:59
Sneakytiki: Dont' know whatcha got til it's gone, flix bic lighter while drinking warm beer from a plastic cup... 19:44:34
Son-of-Kelbo: Sorry, I though you'd appreciate it. 19:44:27
VampiressRN: I liked Bamboo Bens idea of getting on a radio talk show 19:44:12
Tikisgrl: Seriously now... to argue the point again. The historical significance is it's longevity, not that it is a Trader Vics "Name Brand" 19:44:09
filslash: 'Scuse me? Benedict Arnold? Thats an ASSWIPE comment.. 19:44:02
tekoteko: I'd rather the Bellevue, WA location be open and financially strong than one location stay open because it's "historical" 19:43:57
VampiressRN: how are things going with the Beverly Hills locals...is it still in the newspapers 19:43:54
Swamp Tiki: You can never know where your going if you don't know where you've been....architectur
VampiressRN: well unfortunately that is probably what is dirng the plan to destroy as the site could bring more money in a different way 19:51:30
Swamp Tiki: Historic Preservation efforts are grassroot efforts that do succeed..the will of the people can be stronger than the almighty dollar..Success stories have shown it time and again...if it weren't true, I wouldn't have a job...Open up folks... 19:51:22
Son-of-Kelbo: TekoT, you think we all don't? 19:50:59
Tikisgrl: I hate everything being about money... 19:50:49
Tikisgrl: Sounds good... 19:50:28
tekoteko: You set the topic...so I'm airing what I think, as a guy who works in finance, that $$$ talks and you're wasting your time unless you're opening the coffers. 19:50:27
VampiressRN: start 2 new threads...one about the TV event and one about the petitition 19:50:13
Son-of-Kelbo: No, we've got to help Beverly Hills Homeowners Association. THEY have a s**tpot of money, and votes. 19:49:55
Sneakytiki: Or publicity from someone with $$$$ 19:49:51
VampiressRN: build webpage with petitions 19:49:49
tekoteko: I'm here to SHOUT. 19:49:47
tekoteko: SoK...I've got my own budget to deal with. 19:49:39
VampiressRN: lets review the action items 19:49:31
Sneakytiki: TT--TRUE 19:49:26
Swamp Tiki: Not really, Tekoteko... 19:49:22
VampiressRN: I can barley make my house paymentSSSS 19:49:13
Son-of-Kelbo: Agreed. But are you here with us to help, or ? 19:49:09
Tiki Central Time: 19:54:29
Tikisgrl: Not just the Tiki community... 19:54:25
Son-of-Kelbo: VRN, they're fence-sitting, watching us (yes they are), and preparing some kind of statement for this month. 19:54:23
VampiressRN: it is a good way to show that the tiki community does try to save history 19:54:04
Swamp Tiki: Atlanta has one of the fastest growing economys in the US...if it works here it works everywhere.. 19:53:56
filslash: I once knew a fellar that tried to save the DOGGIE DINER IN SF on Ocean Avenue... 19:53:39
Son-of-Kelbo: This could be tilting at windmills, I agree. But it's better to try, to put a burr under the saddle of the latest avaricious developer, than just sit back and say sayonara to a great place in our culture. 19:53:32
tekoteko: Does Vic's even own the structure they're in? 19:53:27
Sneakytiki: Pm me if there's any p[etition etc.. to sign, sorry but i don't have any dollars to donate. 19:53:17
Tikisgrl: Did you read the article? The argument goes that the space will generate triple the tax revenues that the single entity TV does. 19:53:15
tekoteko: No Swamp...in Beverly Hills. 19:53:07
tekoteko: Life sucks. Money talks. 19:53:01
VampiressRN: SOK...I may have missed this in the posts, but what is the TV corporation doing to help save that location? 19:52:57
tekoteko: TG...my idealist lover... 19:52:50
Son-of-Kelbo: We're not raising cash TekoT, we're rallying a tally of protest. 19:59:09
VampiressRN: nd the fact that it is in a resurggence should help a little...but only if there are some people willing to make the financial investment in the history...I wish I could help in that respect but can't 19:59:08
Swamp Tiki: It boils down to exisiting zoning ordinaces and the voting power to keep them from being amended 19:58:59
Tikiwahine: who the what now? 19:58:36
Son-of-Kelbo: He wasn't in the second picture for a reason... 19:58:29
Tikisgrl: Hey it's still a great era... come to Mass... they haven't painted or changed our Tiki bars in 30 years! 19:58:21
tekoteko: Why should the BH homeowners need to front any cash? 19:58:12
Sneakytiki: Well bye all Mesah tyred, mesah gowna take off dis orange mask an judge american idow as my other hugely annoying alter ego Simon Cowell. 19:57:59
VampiressRN: no kidding 19:57:54
Tikisgrl: & the BH homeowners got cash! 19:57:54
Swamp Tiki: It was a great era, VRN 19:57:41
tekoteko: Buzz word? more like a buzz number...with a TON of zeroes behind it. 20:00:36
VampiressRN: At least some of us can feel the effort we made did not fall on deaf ears...if the destruction is menat to be it will happne....but it is worth trying in my humble opinion 20:00:35
Son-of-Kelbo: Agreed. 20:00:33
Sneakytiki: mmmmHMMMM and no bye, No aloha, as the breeders said in 98, an I'm audi 5000 as some jock said in about the same year. 20:00:30
Tikisgrl: Plus & more to the point the BH people like to think it's their government... 20:00:16
Swamp Tiki: Tax revenue is a buzz word,,there is more to it than that 20:00:08
Tikiwahine: my hubby is in pearl tonight, he's trying to arrange a meet up at la mar tomorrow, with Gecko 20:00:04
Tikisgrl: creating a wave for the voting public to ride... 19:59:42
Tikiwahine: hey hey fil!! 19:59:40
tekoteko: Good luck. You think the Municipal Government of Beverly hills wants LESS tax revenue? 19:59:33
filslash: hiney! 19:59:21
Son-of-Kelbo: We're not raising cash TekoT, we're rallying a tally of protest. 19:59:09
VampiressRN: nd the fact that it is in a resurggence should help a little...but only if there are some people willing to make the financial investment in the history...I wish I could help in that respect but can't 19:59:08
Swamp Tiki: It boils down to exisiting zoning ordinaces and the voting power to keep them from being amended 19:58:59
Tikiwahine: who the what now? 19:58:36
Tiki Central Time: 20:07:07
Son-of-Kelbo: 2 Threads, one for 2-17, and one for 3-17. 20:07:01
Swamp Tiki: Great! Time for a Pisco 20:06:46
VampiressRN: sounds good 20:06:30
Tikisgrl: good... 20:06:28
Son-of-Kelbo: Will do, CW. 20:06:28
Son-of-Kelbo: I'll get a site posted this week, by Wednesday, for the Ohana to hit and download a "Save TV's BH" graphic jpeg. We will determine where everyone should email their downloads to by one week from Sat, 2-17, and start gathering force for the 3-17 physical petition signing. How's that sound? 20:06:09
Tikisgrl: Not me I can't spell photoshop... 20:06:01
VampiressRN: yes hysterical...I mmean historical people 20:05:59
Sneakytiki: three menses teko my neeko, that's not to shabby 20:05:49
tekoteko: I thoguht the poster contest was over. 20:05:46
VampiressRN: and who was going to do a poster of the TV event 20:05:34
Swamp Tiki: Wire me, JC 20:05:33
Sneakytiki: boo F'n HOO 20:05:22
Tikisgrl: & continue to liase with the Historical people! 20:05:20
Swamp Tiki: I will post links back to the petition on my end 20:05:17
tekoteko: Sigh. 20:05:11
tekoteko: I know! 20:05:09
Tikiwahine: teko - 3 months? you poor thing you! 20:04:57
VampiressRN: 2 threads one for the TV event one for the petition 20:04:56
Tikisgrl: meetings @ TV's 20:04:56
Sneakytiki: Jar jar as 007 20:04:54
VampiressRN: online petition 20:04:44
VampiressRN: please do 20:04:31
Son-of-Kelbo: Are we wrapped here about TV's, then? Let's sum. 20:04:05
Sneakytiki: HAha, that would be HELL if JArjar was REAL and started getrting star roles in all the new movies 20:04:00
VampiressRN: so we are at one hour SOK...do we have some doable plans....looks like a lot of this is your action items...but we can support the online petition with various links to it 20:03:51
tekoteko: Jesus that's too long. 20:03:48
tekoteko: I haven't been to hawaii in like...3 months. 20:03:44
