The Buffet Rant and what it means. - Tiki Music

VM Vince Martini Member Iki Pohaku, Arkansas Joined: May 02, 2010 Posts: 277	VM Vince Martini Posted posted on Wed, Jul 21, 2010 3:07 PM Go Lucas Go!!! I don't deny anyone their musical outlet. As a one-time Deadhead, I know exactly what Lucas speaks of here in his response. Parrotheads are exactly the same way. That is, there is this sense of entitlement that their music and their scene (both Deadheads and Parrotheads) applies to anything and eveything, whether that be the case or not. It is like a local symphony doing an orchestral salute to Jimmy Buffet at a pops concert. They schedule the event and all of these Parrotheads come flocking to the scene. But, once this event passes, none of these parrot patrons are ever seen gracing the doors of the symphony hall. That is because the symphony crowd is a hors d'ouvres and crudite crowd and will always remain this way. The Parrothead crowd will still be the machine frozen margarita and calamari crowd...not that there is anything wrong with that. The most endorsing barometer proving that the Buffet scene and the Tiki scene are two differnet ships that pass with not even the slightest shared commonality? Well, just look to Jimmy Buffet for the definitive answer. He is pretty much into an island state-of-mind. he is also into nostalgia and a culture that helps give definition to his "scene." Okay, so have we ever heard him metion anything tiki? No. Have we ever heard him join the fight to save some endangered historical tiki bar from the wrecking ball? Absolutely not. Have we seen Jimmy Buffet champion the resurrection of the career of some cult celeb like Yma Sumac, Martin Denny; or, launch any type of tribute record in honor of these artists that helped shape the tiki consciousness? Nada Okay, so Jimmy Buffet is tropic-centric...as is Tiki. That is great. But, Jimmy Buffet is as tiki-centric as Tahitian culture is relevant to Key Biscayne. Ergo, Jimmy Buffet and my old pal Jerry Garcia can enjoy their seemless jams and catchy hooks in their own worlds and the tiki culture will continue to wax and wayne to The Ventures, The Stolen Idols, The Martini Kings, Frank Sinatra, Les Baxter, Esquivel, Dick Dale, the Swank Bastards, the Intoxicators and all the music that is relevant to this - the "tiki scene" and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this reality. On 2010-07-21 14:39, lucas vigor wrote: As much as you want it to happen, this place will not be Buffet Central. Myself, and a few others, will do everything possible to stop the takeover by outside genres of the things we love the most about Tiki culture. Those being, exotica music, classic retro imagery, rum based drinks...and no frat boys. You may have Sven's books, but you obviously do not "get" them, nor understand the concept of this forum if you think Buffy has anything to do with Tiki. It never has, never will. Escapism? We might as well talk about the LARPing you love so much as well. I am SO sick of all the parrotheads and deadheads trying to infiltrate this forum. This forum should have some parameters. Oh wait, it does. "Celebrating classic and modern Poly Pop". I see no mention of Buffy nor of the grateful dead. (why I am mentioning the dead is becuase I have had this SAME conversation with all the loser deadheads who also don't get Tiki culture.) Please talk about Buffy in Bilge. Buffy is not Tiki Music. http://www.myspace.com/lucasvigor http://www.myspace.com/thehulagirlsband "yer jus not tuned into the series of tubes yet, let it soak in". [ Edited by: lucas vigor 2010-07-21 14:44 ] [ Edited by: Vince Martini 2010-07-21 15:11 ]

Go Lucas Go!!!

I don't deny anyone their musical outlet. As a one-time Deadhead, I know exactly what Lucas speaks of here in his response. Parrotheads are exactly the same way. That is, there is this sense of entitlement that their music and their scene (both Deadheads and Parrotheads) applies to anything and eveything, whether that be the case or not.

It is like a local symphony doing an orchestral salute to Jimmy Buffet at a pops concert. They schedule the event and all of these Parrotheads come flocking to the scene. But, once this event passes, none of these parrot patrons are ever seen gracing the doors of the symphony hall. That is because the symphony crowd is a hors d'ouvres and crudite crowd and will always remain this way. The Parrothead crowd will still be the machine frozen margarita and calamari crowd...not that there is anything wrong with that.

The most endorsing barometer proving that the Buffet scene and the Tiki scene are two differnet ships that pass with not even the slightest shared commonality? Well, just look to Jimmy Buffet for the definitive answer.

He is pretty much into an island state-of-mind. he is also into nostalgia and a culture that helps give definition to his "scene." Okay, so have we ever heard him metion anything tiki? No. Have we ever heard him join the fight to save some endangered historical tiki bar from the wrecking ball? Absolutely not. Have we seen Jimmy Buffet champion the resurrection of the career of some cult celeb like Yma Sumac, Martin Denny; or, launch any type of tribute record in honor of these artists that helped shape the tiki consciousness? Nada

Okay, so Jimmy Buffet is tropic-centric...as is Tiki. That is great. But, Jimmy Buffet is as tiki-centric as Tahitian culture is relevant to Key Biscayne. Ergo, Jimmy Buffet and my old pal Jerry Garcia can enjoy their seemless jams and catchy hooks in their own worlds and the tiki culture will continue to wax and wayne to The Ventures, The Stolen Idols, The Martini Kings, Frank Sinatra, Les Baxter, Esquivel, Dick Dale, the Swank Bastards, the Intoxicators and all the music that is relevant to this - the "tiki scene" and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this reality.

On 2010-07-21 14:39, lucas vigor wrote:
As much as you want it to happen, this place will not be Buffet Central. Myself, and a few others, will do everything possible to stop the takeover by outside genres of the things we love the most about Tiki culture. Those being, exotica music, classic retro imagery, rum based drinks...and no frat boys. You may have Sven's books, but you obviously do not "get" them, nor understand the concept of this forum if you think Buffy has anything to do with Tiki. It never has, never will.

Escapism? We might as well talk about the LARPing you love so much as well.

I am SO sick of all the parrotheads and deadheads trying to infiltrate this forum. This forum should have some parameters. Oh wait, it does. "Celebrating classic and modern Poly Pop". I see no mention of Buffy nor of the grateful dead. (why I am mentioning the dead is becuase I have had this SAME conversation with all the loser deadheads who also don't get Tiki culture.)

Please talk about Buffy in Bilge. Buffy is not Tiki Music.

http://www.myspace.com/lucasvigor
http://www.myspace.com/thehulagirlsband

"yer jus not tuned into the series of tubes yet, let it soak in".

[ Edited by: lucas vigor 2010-07-21 14:44 ]

[ Edited by: Vince Martini 2010-07-21 15:11 ]

Post #543799 by Vince Martini on Wed, Jul 21, 2010 3:07 PM