On 2010-10-29 08:36, JOHN-O wrote:
But Tom what would you consider appropriate discussion here on TC ?? The mission statement is supposed to serve as a guideline rather than a hard-fast rule. "Tiki" means different things to different people whether it's Classic Tiki-style, Tiki Lifestyle, and yes even "The Spirit of Tiki" which even the Bigbro has alluded to. We'll never get 100% agreement here on that. For instance:
1. Is Surf music Tiki ?? Most will say yes but some Exotica die-hards will say no.
John-O, while I understand what you are trying to say, and can appreciate your enthusiasm, all of the mentioned questions you are asking in their own right are NOT tiki.
Its called Surf Music, and while people who are into tiki may listen to Surf Music, doesn't make the music tiki. Besides, there is no such thing as true 'tiki music'. There is however, Hapa Hoele, Hawaiian, Exotica, and Surf Music styles. None of those alone are tiki, but played in a party enviroment, they could collectively be called tiki music, I suppose. I myself don't go around calling Horses, Mules, and Mules, Horses. Just because they look the same or are similar to something I envision, doesn't mean they are.
2. Is a Tiki mug that doesn't have specific Tiki iconography really a Tiki mug ?? Some will say yes and some will say no.
This one is a bit trickier, and actually can be confusing for ALOT of people. My OPINION on this one is this;
If it was or is, a mug that serviced the tiki bar industry at one time or another, you can slap the name tiki next to the word mug. If it is a Rumph "Chewbacca" ceramic Mug, then it is just that, and nothing more.
3. Is discussion of the new Hawaii 5-0 which takes in the 21st century modern Hawaii really a Tiki topic ?? I would say no but a lot of people are having fun talking about it. That's cool with me.
That is fine with me, because there is nobody declaring that Hawaii 5-0 is tiki. It is under its own title thread, and not misleading.
4. How about my postings on Mid-century Las Vegas? (I'm still waiting for someone to move that thread).
If you titled that thread Mid Century Tiki Vegas, and only focused on the Mid Century without tiki, I'd have a problem. Your thread is fine by me. Same goes for #5
5. How about the Jungle-style thread I started early this year? I think it turned out to be a pretty popular topic on the General Forum but it had nothing to do with Tiki-style.
6. And Tiki Oasis is going "South of the Border". Yes, it's not representative of TC per se but it could be indicative of how the Tiki Revival is thinking "outside the box". Shouldn't TC be as open minded ??
To be honest, Tiki Oasis is a party that celebrates and embraces tiki & theming, along with other aspects other than tiki. There is alot of mid century appeal, and frankly I feel its because alot of stuff goes hand in hand. But alone, they would not be able to stand up and support the wording tiki, if there was none. Mid Century Modern is not tiki, but there was tiki in Mid Century Modern...
I just do not want to see this site get sidetracked and off topic. And just because ATP, or anyone else minds their own business posting informative (or uninformative) posts thay they create will always be open for scrutiny, and will not be ignored. The day that these types of posts are ignored is the day this site no longer holds the standards that Hanford himself set forth to be followed. It's ultimately his house, his rules, and we are all participatory guests who are allowed to share the visions under those few guidelines.
I can appreciate your steadfastness to high Tiki ideals (which I remember from your Trader Vic's Bar and Grill thread), but really the way to raise the bar here is to post interesting and articulate content rather than spending time "policing" TC.
Truthfully, I am more of a lurker than a poster. I can appreciate people's findings, whether its a flea market find, or recently unearthed facts regarding the discovery of something previously unknown. I chime in only when I can help or provide information per my knowledge background.
That TVB&G is still a joke to me, as is the Corporation as a whole. That is another story in itself, though.
It's too bad you haven't read my posts on the Polynesian in Walteria/Torrance, or the threads on my own local establishments. I feel I've made some significant contributions over my time here, but just because there isn't any real new discovery for me, doesn't mean I'm going to go and start a tiki photo association thread, which loses its integrity as a thread by post number 3...
Either you want to learn what tiki is and discuss it, or you want to dilute TC with your own ideas of what you THINK tiki is on TC...I've personaly always chosen #1, while adding a dash of #2 to help support and further strengthen the topic, which ultimately makes this site the chock full of knowledge it is today!
