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An authentic throwback item is crab rangoon ($6) — fried crisp twists of the “skins” used to make spring rolls. The filling is cream cheese with crab and a garlic- or onion-powder flavor. It is a trip down memory lane that makes us appreciate the present.
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Kahiki Redux
November 15th, 2014
“This collection of poems, from a writer who never saw the Kahiki in person, is a literary Pupu Platter brimming with playfulness, imagination, and reverence.”
Nathalie Wright, Architectural Historian; Columbus, Ohio
For over forty years, it was the largest freestanding Polynesian restaurant in the country and the site where generations of Columbusites relished Tiki culture. As a local poet and former journalist who relocated to Columbus, I became obsessed with learning about the late great Kahiki Supper Club that was razed over ten years ago after being placed on the National Historic Register. The result of my research and many interviews is Kahiki Redux, a poetry collectionin which I tried to capture the nuances of this pop-culture icon that for decades brought delight and pride to the Columbus cultural landscape. If you’d like to order a copy, please mail a cashier’s check or money order for $15.00 (includes postage) to: 897 Plum Ridge; Columbus, Ohio 43213. Please address the check to Rikki Santer. Thanks for your support.
ALSO AVAILABLE ON AMAZONBOOKS.COM
from The Columbus Dispatch; Sunday June 17, 2012
“Poems carry a tiki torch for Kahiki” by columnist Joe Blundo
One of the most grievous crimes ever committed against Columbus architecture was the demolition of the Kahiki in 2000.
The restaurant was shaped like a giant war canoe, had a cultlike corps of devotees and featured flaming drinks, canned thunder and thatched huts. After standing at 3583 E. Broad St. for almost 40 years, it was torn down to make way for a Walgreens pharmacy.
But the memory lives. Its artifacts are auctioned on eBay, and websites recall its splendors. And now a collection of Kahiki poems has been published.
Kahiki Redux by Rikki Santer manages to evoke the appearance and ambience of the place despite the fact that the author has never been inside it.
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BambooLodge
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Joined: Feb 09, 2003
Posts: 600
From: Just up the road from Chef Shangri-La
Posted: 2011-08-30 1:37 pm Permalink
Ok folks just to clarify things...
There's a very obvious reason for not being able to accomodate folks dropping in along the way...
With the exception of Hala Kahiki, these are all small venues and only hold around a hundred or so people, so all you have to do is be able to add. Two busses @ 53 people each = 106 Tikiphiles accending on these places at one time, I think ya'll can grasp that right?
As far as Sunday's festivities at the Chef, again there will be approximately 106 people there for the duration of the afternoon. The Chef does hold more people, so there will probably be limited seating available as we get closer to the big weekend. Hope this helps put thing in perspective.
Edited to reflect that ticket price does not include the mug, that's a separate purchase!
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Tipsy McStagger
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From: HELL
Posted: 2011-08-30 1:42 pm Permalink
“. . . At the Outrigger Bar, decked in the robes of our birthdays, anniversaries or lusty prom promises, we suck Pupu Platter goo from our Occidental nails,” she writes in Remembering the Kahiki.
In “Landscape,” she describes carloads of tourists arriving “to lose themselves inside this romantic cocoon that serves up foreign paradise in pineapple carcasses and caricature tumblers.”
Santer, who teaches film studies and English at Upper Arlington High School, moved to central Ohio from Baltimore not long before the Kahiki was demolished. It had already given way to Walgreens when she became interested in it after she and her husband bought a house featuring a Polynesian room.
The room — full of lava rock, tortoiseshell light fixtures and animal-print fabrics — was designed by Coburn Morgan, who was also responsible for the Kahiki’s hyper-Polynesian decor.
Her interest stimulated, Santer began researching the restaurant. She interviewed workers, patrons and the two businessmen who built it: Bill Sapp and Lee Henry. They sold their interests in the restaurant in 1979. (Henry called Santer’s book “terrific.”)
Acknowledging their work is one of the reasons she wrote the book, Santer said.
“My motivation is just to get a memory book into people’s hands. I was so shocked that this icon was torn down. We’re in this bicentennial year, and Bill and Lee are still alive, in their 80s, and they haven’t been recognized formally.”
The book, which is available through Amazon Books or through her website at rikkisanter.com, contains eight poems, Kahiki artwork and a forward by architectural historian Nathalie Wright. She submitted the application that got the restaurant listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1997, a distinction that couldn’t save it.
The last poem, “Kahiki in the Museum,” acknowledges as much, envisioning what would be in a Kahiki historical exhibit: “Lipstick-stained napkins and bite-marked straws from virgin lips; a pyramid of etched glassware; a plastic volcano erupting in gleeful streams of snapshots that incriminate with outdated fashion.”
This might not be the end of Kahiki literature. Santer said she and Wright hope to produce a full-scale history of the place.
Said Santer: “I have great affection for that restaurant.”
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Post subject: Re: Critiki - Tiki Drink Clarification or Tikilitism!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:13 am
Honui Moai
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TikiJack,
One thing for sure you will not get here is some self entitled prick telling you what tiki is.
We don't do that 'round here.
Whether your tiki is brown or day-glo - nobody cares.
It's mellow and easy going.
What you like is what you like.
We just want to have fun, drink, raise money and preserve tiki culture.
Welcome to the FOM.
Princess Pupule
Post subject: Re: Critiki - Tiki Drink Clarification or Tikilitism!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:21 pm
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Personally, I bristle at the tiki elitist/purists & the holy than thou attitude that comes with it. It's a whole "my tiki is better than your tiki" thing & that has always rubbed me (&, I think, FOMmers, in general) the wrong way. It's TIKI, for cripes sake, which is made-up in the first place. And if you come to my home tiki bar, and I happen to whip-up a pain killer for you, talking about how it's not a tiki drink is going to get that tasty painkiller taken out of your hand & your ass on the curb. Just sayin'....
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Henry and Sapp went
researching, traveling west to
visit Don the Beachcomber in Los
Angeles, then to San Francisco to
check out Trader Vic’s. In 1957, Lee
and their chief designer headed to
the newly opened Mai Kai in Fort
Lauderdale, where—posing as
tourists—they took snapshots and
pocketed menus.
“One of the luckiest places as a young man in Ohio during the
‘60s was to be sitting across from a beautiful girl at the Kahiki,” writes
John Fraim, Lee Henry’s nephew, and an author of a forthcoming
book about the Kahiki. “Both participants [were] in some modern
type of alchemical reunion it seemed. But a few of the drinks at the
Kahiki in those years would do this to you.”
Ah, yes—the drinks.
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What was the goings on in Feb 22 1961 first day of the Kahiki?
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Jerry Garcia, an 18-year old drifter who had been discharged from the U.S. Army, survived a car accident in Palo Alto, California. He would later describe the event as "the slingshot for the rest of my life"."Before then I was always living at less than capacity," he would write later. "Then I got serious." Garcia would go on to found the Grateful Dead.[30]
Born: Imogen Stubbs, British actress, in Newcastle upon Tyne
Died: Percy Grainger, 78, Australian composer; and Romany Marie, 75, American restaurateur and bohemian personality
On February 20th, 1961, the closest available weather station to Columbus, OH (COLUMBUS MUNICIPAL ARPT, OH), reported the following conditions:
High Temp: 37.9°F *
Low Temp: 21.9°F *
Average Temp: 30.2°F ( 24 )
Dewpoint: 23.4°F ( 24 )
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Wind Speed: 2.7 knots ( 24 )
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Most electricity is produced by burning fossil fuels in power stations. Coal, oil and natural gas are burned in furnaces to heat up water. The boiling water makes steam which pushes the gigantic blades of a turbine to produce electricity.
Frankoma T3S War God tiki mug in brown satin glaze. No cracks, chips, crazing or repairs. The design was originally created for the Club Trade Winds tiki bar in Tulsa, Ok and later added to the line of pieces sold to the public.
Acquaint yourself with the differences between Ada clay, Sapulpa clay, and post-1980 Sapulpa clay. Learn to recognize specific glaze colors. Unravel the
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My art is on facebook. I no longer share stuff to the group tiki pages because the harassment was of the charts. This past year brought alot of deliberate bullshit from people in the tiki scene to discredit me for not willingly playing the stoopid social games. It may seem like I've tanked my audience but what Im doing is taking tiki beyond the myopic scene, and I'm the only artist who has the kind of work that can do it. or the inclination to do so. After this last weekends opening at la luz and the book release on tiki art I was excluded from. I had to make a statement about it.
"I promised I wouldn't talk about this anymore but A lot of misdirected outrage is coming my way about being left out of the La Luz show and the new book on tiki art. So I kinda have to make a statement .
I can't speak on why I was excluded because no one has given me a believable answer. In fact 95% of anyone who thinks they're important in the microcosm of tiki has remained silent on the whole thing. It's a pretty big deal for me to be left out after nearly 30 yrs of making exclusively tiki art. I'm long over it. I've exited tiki as a scene because it doesn't support or respect my contributions. Its the individual people I've bonded with and the fans that find me on their own that actually support me. I am more driven than ever to execute my vision of tiki modern. I'm not quitting my art,I'm skirting what's kept me down. So,,,, if you are just now catching on that I was excluded-direct your comments towards the ones who excluded me. I can't answer for them. I'm still doing me - a whole lot of phony bullshit free. And I totally plan on owning it." #dawnfrasierartist
My zine with my missing scene history will be available in a couple of weeks in my etsy shop. it chronicles me being a tiki artist since before there was a scene through my recent exit and all the weird backhanded disrespecful bullshit things that have been pulled on me by men in tiki that added up to where I'm at now. Done with being treated second class. Im still a tiki artist I just jumped out of the over crowded pee filled pool.
heres where to find me -
my art page - https://www.facebook.com/bamboogroveofwestwood/
my Tiki Modern decor page
https://www.facebook.com/bamboogroveofwestwood/
my personal page
https://www.facebook.com/public/Dawn-Frasie
my insragram
https://www.instagram.com/sophista_tiki/
Spoonflower
https://www.spoonflower.com/profiles/sophista-tiki_by_dawn_frasier
etsy
https://www.etsy.com/shop/sophistatiki
In spite of all of the shit I've taken in this scene thats led me to defend myself and wad up all the man panties by calling out the horrible treatment- Im still working full time as a tiki artist I just do much bigger projects instead of selling myself all the time. My Moodxotica paintings are headed to Hawaii and Australia this yr, my studio made rugs RUGXOTICA will be in Dwell and Atomic Ranch.
Im launching a new line - Sophista-tiki Modern Home
and all sales of my zine are funding my coffee table book of my unique tiki modern aesthetic.
IMO much better than making the perpetual vending circuit . I never got the appeal of that as an artist.
Im still accessible, I still have great friends I've made in the scene. Ive also seen how phony many of the people are who were there for me until I didnt serve a stepping stone purpose for them any longer because I've gone rogue( eye roll). Honestly I cant disappear completely from tiki because of the connections I still have and the future fans I will have long after the dust settles from the whole shit show of me trying to fit in with the clique. I'm just not playing the game that never suited me in the first place. If you arn't an artist at my level you really have no idea and the experience has been singular.
My whole scene is better now than its ever been I've upped my game in every aspect you can imagine. paid off my house, honed my skills, maintained a high level of integrity, and I look frkn amazing for 51.
Onward and upward.
Thanks to the people who have always been in my corner, stuck with me through all of the bullshit that stressed me out to the point I couldn't take it anymore and will continue to be there as I take my tiki art out of the confines of the tiki scenes suffocating status quo.
If you look at the Kahiki salt and pepper shakers they were in the same style of the Hoffman pottery moai mug made for the Kahiki.
Did Kahiki request these be made to match these S and P shakers?
What came first the Mug or the Shakers?
The salt and Pepper shakers were not made by Hoffman but by OMC as we can see by the stickers on the bottom of the shakers.
Kahiki salt and pepper shakers had many different markings on the bottom as well.
So here is yet another Hoffman marking, this one is very early I would guess.
Image from eBay and sold high to the one who's name shall not be spoken.
11/17/2017
Man! the Kahiki ghosts have come through again!
I can't make this stuff up, went to eBay to lift some photos for this question and find this sale for a Hoffman mug.
But it may put a date on the mug AND markings if you believe this seller, I do.
Not my sale and I don't know this person.
Ebay sale this mug had Ceramics by Hoffman...
VINTAGE KAHIKI SUPPER CLUB / RESTAURANT COLUMBUS OHIO MOAI TIKI FACE MUG MADE BY HOFFMAN CERAMICS
https://www.ebay.com/itm/401440732502?ul_noapp=true
This mug dates to March, 1963, when we were living in Columbus and visiting relatives took us out to dinner to celebrate the birth of our son. I saved it because it was such a big deal then for us to eat out. There is some unpainted area along the bottom, due to the manufacturing process. It measures 6 5/8" tall.
My question to her Via eBay.....
Your previous message
Hello nice mug you have, can you help me date these mugs.
Are you sure this came from the Kahiki in March 1963.
These mugs have many different markings and this could help date them.
Thank you so much for your help, I too have one of these mugs.
And I have one of the BIG moai statues front the front of the building.
Good luck on your sale.
Tikiskip
Her reply....
Hello, Yes, it was definitely from March of 1963, the only time I was ever there- out of town relatives took us out to dinner to celebrate the birth of one of our sons- he was just shy of 2 weeks old and was born 3-6-63. I saved the mug and napkin because it was such a big deal then to go out, plus they were "cool"!!! We only lived in Columbus a short time, we moved to Indianapolis soon after and have never been back. Best Regards, Sue
Here are some other table style lights...
The coconut shell lamp.
These were the souvenirs you would buy way back when in Hawaii.
Once saw a postcard with many of these on a table on the side of the road in Hawaii for sale, am kinda surprised they are not more popular in the new tiki bars I see.
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Columbus underground January 18, 2019 3:21 pm
Grand open date Feb 5th after weeks of "soft openings"
"Ultimately, Howe says they’re aiming for an aesthetic that hovers somewhere between the kitsch of early tiki and more streamlined modernity. "
"Bamboo, tiki masks, and vibrant colored lighting are all a given, but the rest will be an evolution, he says."
Tue Feb 5th 2019
Ryan Vasu-sarver doesn't recommend Huli Huli Powell.
18 hrs ·
limited menu high prices and bad service. it is to bad great look
Slow service
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Dustin Sun Thanks Ryan for your feedback.. We apologize on the slow service as we get more efficient on delivering exceptional service. Thank you for stopping in and we hope to see you soon.
Damn dude already?
The drinks were decent & the small plates & appetizers were ok, but TOTALLY not worth the price. I get the serving size argument, but flavor has to be there as well.
They may need to work on their entry area, a better, more organized process welcoming patrons.
Bathrooms were clean & the bartenders were nice & funny.
They mini size fireplaces randomly placed on bare walls, may need to find a new use, weird.
We went once to experience it since it was right around the corner, but, I think that will be our only experience.
A few days after they opened.
Here's more, Read your damn reviews!
Gary Francis Stopped by today....very very disappointing.....light pours on drinks and service was barely OK....hope things improve quickly.....
3/22/2019
I'm giving two stars for cuteness. Overpriced drinks $10-$14 for tropical punch that doesn't pack one. We had the shrimp skewers, pork bao, side salad and dumplings. Nothing special about anything. A "one and done" for me.
3/29/2019
We enjoyed the vibe of this lounge and the decor added to the tiki hut experience. There is limited parking out back off Liberty. It is more of a bar than a grill, so if you are looking for more of a food selection you may be disappointed. I got one of the frozen drinks on the menu - the Blue Hawaii. At $11 it was a bit pricey. It had a nice flavor and reminded me of a tropical vacation with its coconut and pineapple flavors. For our "meal" we shared 4 appetizer-sized plates: chicken wings (2 per plate for $7), bao buns (2 per plate for $9), dumplings (4 for $7), and shrimp skewers (2 for $9). The food was nothing remarkable - wings were overly sauced but large, bao meat was dry, dumplings reheated from a bag, and shrimp though tasty were underdone. It is nice to have options in downtown Powell, but I doubt I will be back.
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Local Guide · 10 reviews
2 weeks ago- 4/4/2019
Service was horrible. Waited about 15 mins for someone to come to our table and they only came because the four of us were starring them down. (Wasn’t even a busy night) food was okay. Had limited drink options. The decor was cute.
RobWPowell04/11/2019
Huli Huli is purely an attitude place, with glitzy interior and fancy (expensive - like $14) tiki drinks. Some small plates, none of them very good in our one visit by a group of 10. Maybe the idea is a Night Club? But nothing to go with that kind of target.Lots of young women there, which might be a draw for some, but hard to see what they offer for a traditional crowd in the way of food or drink at reasonable prices. The owner was there and came around briefly, but didn’t really ask anything that could have been useful for him. Just perfunctory, check off a box of walking by.
I put this here so as not to forget how this what I call tiki lite bar will do over the years.
It has had LOTS of press the first week and even before it opened, they were very smart and had all the press type people and even that "expert" Motz come in for the free parties
before they opened.
This place is not really tiki to me I feel they put just enough tiki in the joint to be able to sell very expensive tiki drinks, tried to sell them old tiki stuff to no avail.
Get the feeling tiki peeps here in Columbus say good things about this place as it helps them in that they can go there and promote the tiki things the locals sell.
It looks like a Starbucks with a few Good tiki items and lots of Indonesian tikis, AND the TC type folks that have been there never show the Indonesian tikis in the photos of the place.
THEY know the Indonesian tikis suck so even they hide them by not photographing them.
When I saw these Indonesian tikis in the place before they opened they said "somebody else brought those in we are not going to use those" after I grimaced.
"We’re trying to find the right stuff that fits without being cheesy,” manager Nate Howe said." 2/9/2019
Here is s shell lamp.
These could also be called TV lamps as they were said to help your eyes if watching TV in the dark.
These too were sold as souvenirs way back when in Hawaii.
On 2018-03-02 01:58, (name deleted) wrote:
I don't think he is trying to be funny at all. He made the comment about there no longer being flame wars anymore but instead people are now being passive-aggressive, which is what I think he is doing.
More salt and pepper markings...
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#2
#3
Great points here!
AND people say they don’t have anything to add to TC well everybody eats and many drink, so you can add to this thread right here.
It could help a misguided new tiki bar find their way.
“I think the question isn't "can you taste it," but rather "can you taste its absence"?”
See now that’s a good point, but then that’s what I meant by a good blend in your ingredients.
Soung asked me what I put in my ham glaze and after I told him he said to add a small bit of Garlic powder, GARLIC POWDER!
In ginger ale, lemon, and candy ginger with a bit of Cayenne pepper Now Garlic powder too.
I do it that way every time now, too much Garlic powder and your FU%k*d, if you taste it you failed.
“generally speaking, sit down for a meal and by the end of it suss out exactly what was used”
I’m not that good at that but ok.
It’s best when you have a hard time knowing what is in something, you would have a hard time knowing garlic was in my ham glaze.
And I do put mint and lime in my Mai Tais almost every time.
We grow tons of mint just for that, I bet it may be hard for a commercial tiki bar to get and keep mint in the place on a day to day basis.
The Tropical Bistro had mint in every Mai Tai I ever got there, and they did not say they were some great fancy place.
“Where most of the newer tiki bars fall short for me is the hedging of bets”
You know I hate the word cultural appropriation, BUT this is kinda how I feel about newer tiki lite bars.
They steal our fake version of a Polynesian place and water it down misrepresenting it to others who then say “we went to a tiki bar”
I think it is so they can serve handcrafted cool drinks at high prices and become a tiki star Mixologist.
The newer tiki lite bars make the real tiki bar the bad guy in this way kinda.
I told a person to a newer tiki lite and she said nothing about it when we left, guess I shoulda asked her.
But I told her to go to La Marianna when they went to Hawaii and they called me! FROM La Marianna! they LOVED it, there FRIENDS loved it! and these were not tiki people.
THAT"S the difference.
Har, they got me a La Marianna T-shirt too.
Maybe the tiki bar vision TCers have would not fly with the normal everyday customer these days.
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Posted: Today; 07:42 am Permalink
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On 2019-07-07 17:38, Hamo wrote:
And the guy who made the biggest contribution to "discovering", seeking out, and cataloging the art form gets a large part in defining "Tiki."
Why? With all due respect to Sven, he didn't invent it, he doesn't own it, he didn't trademark it. Documenting something doesn't give you rights over it. That's not even how culture works. Nobody owns Tiki. And that's how it needs to be if you actually want Tiki to be a vibrant, alive, thriving culture. Not everyone's idea of fun is sitting around online rehashing the same topics about the same bars that closed before they were even born.
The dumb thing is that we still need the Tiki "purists" because they're the ones keeping the culture centred. But what we don't need are gatekeepers. Trying to gatekeep Tiki is only going to result in people ignoring you and doing their own thing anyways.
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Oh, and as for the claim that "Tiki can be anything" people are more tolerant than "Tiki purists"; if that were true, would there have even been a shit storm to begin with?
As I already said, they're chill until they feel judged, then they feel forced to defend themselves and that's how the shitstorms happen. My favourite shitstorm so far was someone stampeding in and saying that you're not allowed to wear fezzes or pith helmets because they're stupid and anyone who wears them are stupid and women in the Tiki scene are basically whores. Thanks Tiki puritans!
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Posted: Today; 07:57 am Permalink
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On 2019-07-07 10:48, tikiskip wrote:
I did see that in your tiki guide? Party City is not listed, not a joke, if you want to include all forms of tiki then party city should be in there.
It is, right near the centre, as "clown tiki". The difference between Party City and Sven's pie-chart of Tiki with circles and arrows and percentages is quality, not kind.
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But see there is a line in the land of Tikicentral and you can find out about that line in The Book of Tiki as noted by the people that started Tikicentral in the guidelines to the site they started.
You're shifting the goalposts. We were talking about Tiki culture in general, not the specific rules of Tiki Central.
But hey, duly noted. If that's going to be your attitude, however, don't turn around and say asinine stuff like "Tikicentral has been too relaxed in letting just any old crap pass as tiki to me, it might be the whole chill tiki thing that is killing TC." Over the past year or so, I've been meeting quite a few people online and in real life who used to come here. The most consistent reason I've heard for why they don't anymore is they just don't have time for the drama and being judged by Tiki puritans on what is supposed to be their fun escapist hobby. This thread is a perfect example: you asked what people look for in a Tiki bar, and every time someone responds you write two or three long replies explaining why they're wrong. Like, dude, I know that bars need to sell drinks and food to make money, I don't need multiple lengthy replies explaining why I'm wrong because what I look for most is atmosphere and novelty. I know you're just seeing an opportunity to talk at length about something you love. I get that and I appreciate that, but seriously... dude... That's part of why I ducked out of this thread and have become ambivalent to TC in general.
So anyways, people are doing exactly what you suggest: "they should start a Hey were all chill tiki site and have guidelines for their site that include what they want and don't want on their site." They're doing that. Nobody's got time for the fun police.
Speaking from my personal experience, where genuinely loving something places you when it goes mainstream is that it gives a base from which to assess quality. As a Goth I can criticize Hot Topic not merely for it's existance, but because they sell ugly clothes and bad music. As a Steampunk fan, I can criticize the LXG movie not simply because it exists, but because it was a bad movie and a travesty of the comic. Far be it from me to consider
“Why? With all due respect to Sven, he didn't invent it, he doesn't own it”
In many areas people are seen as authoritative figures or maybe experts on a subject and the way you get this title is to study that subject, maybe write a book or even teach the subject, Sven has done all three so he’s one of the authoritative figures that often define tiki.
Also I have not talked to Sven, I do not say this with any other motives other than I believe Sven to be a authoritative figure.
In fact I think I would do better and maybe have gotten more press with a different authoritative figure than Sven as I don’t think he really likes me all that well.
Best I can tell is your tiki drinks are....
"My wife likes two parts 7-Up or Sprite, one part orange juice, and a splash of peach schnapps. For pina coladas, we use a mix, with "I'm Bananas Over You" Original Bartenders Cocktail in place of rum, and a splash of Amarula."
"As a Goth I can criticize Hot Topic not merely for it's existance, but because they sell ugly clothes and bad music. As a Steampunk fan, I can criticize the LXG movie not simply because it exists, but because it was a bad movie and a travesty of the comic."
So you get to label judge and Be the fun police when it's Goth?
What is Goth? is it Emo and vampire with some punk mixed in?
Where do you buy the good Goth clothes and is there an authoritative figure or definition of that style.
Was into punk in the late 70s and we just wore any old clothes.
"As a Steampunk fan, I can criticize the LXG movie not simply because it exists."
Damn more fun police, You.
"You're shifting the goalposts. We were talking about Tiki culture in general, not the specific rules of Tiki Central"
WRONG!
I was talking about a guide made by Sven posted on TC By Hammo.
You are talking about "tiki?" and anything that will whip up $hit.
I do have to say that I like the fact that you have your opinions and make them known and hopefully you me or others can come up with our own ideas of what tiki is or is not.
It's a lot better than sitting back and not saying a damn thing.
[ Edited by: tikiskip 2019-07-08 19:29 ]
