Trader Vic's to open in VEGAS!! (Closed)

We're headin' to Vegas on Oct. 21. If anyone goes to TV Vegas beforehand, please give us a review.

Is that Scottsdale in the above photos?
Also is that unfinished concrete block behind the booze rack?
If it is that's just f%$#@ing ugly.
Come on Vic's you can do better that that!

Yup That's Scottsdale TV.

If they all looked the same they might as well be a Hard Rock or planet Hollywood and it would make exploring very dull. It really was not that bad. It is located next to the Valley Ho which is quite Swank and I felt it had a nice blend between the traditional and contemporary atomic flavors. I enjoyed the meal the drinks and the atmosphere. The bartender was friendly and knowledgeable. I will go back there again and stay at the Ho.

I went to Vegas for a trade show this week. My cousin had some crazy deal with Bellagio, she got a lake view room on the 26th floor (for cheap!). Here's the view from Bellagio looking over to Planet Hollywood (formerly the Aladdin) on the far right.

The Desert Passage Mall has been renamed The Miracle Mile Shops

The sign in the window reads "Opening September 2007"

I must admit, this new advertising trend of turning the side of a building into a giant billboard is tacky. i get that it's "Planet Hollywood" but aren't the jumbotron signs enough? They have to graffiti the buildings too? The Flamingo had a giant photo of Toni Braxton (sponsored by Pepsi), Bally's has a giant billboard for "The Producers" (starring Tony Danza!) It kind of spoiled this beautiful view...

"One important element at Trader Vic’s that can’t be left out is the Trader Vixens. While there is no word on coconut bikinis, these gals will convince even the manliest of us to buy a drink with an umbrella. "

Sorry, but I'm going to declare that to be an element that CAN be left out.

The most horrible billboard like that was the Absolut Vodka bottle covering the complete front of the otherwise beautiful Luxor pyramid, spoiling it. And Vic's is in a MALL, wedged in between an Urban Outfitters and some other designer store....
I am sorry, and apologize to the Vegas residents on this board, but to me, the new Mega Vegas is a hell hole of mass consumption. It is American consumer culture ad absurdum, the place where themeing and branding has gone insane, and content and concept have lost all meaning except for being buzzwords, and even a logo like Trader Vic's is just a drop in the bucket of a nauseating stew.

On 2007-09-01 22:27, bigbrotiki wrote:
The most horrible billboard like that was the Absolut Vodka bottle covering the complete front of the otherwise beautiful Luxor pyramid, spoiling it. And Vic's is in a MALL, wedged in between an Urban Outfitters and some other designer store....
I am sorry, and apologize to the Vegas residents on this board, but to me, the new Mega Vegas is a hell hole of mass consumption. It is American consumer culture ad absurdum, the place where themeing and branding has gone insane, and content and concept have lost all meaning except for being buzzwords, and even a logo like Trader Vic's is just a drop in the bucket of a nauseating stew.

Well... let's hope the interior of Trader Vics and the lanai will be true tiki.

On 2007-09-01 22:27, bigbrotiki wrote:
The most horrible billboard like that was the Absolut Vodka bottle covering the complete front of the otherwise beautiful Luxor pyramid, spoiling it. And Vic's is in a MALL, wedged in between an Urban Outfitters and some other designer store....
I am sorry, and apologize to the Vegas residents on this board, but to me, the new Mega Vegas is a hell hole of mass consumption. It is American consumer culture ad absurdum, the place where themeing and branding has gone insane, and content and concept have lost all meaning except for being buzzwords, and even a logo like Trader Vic's is just a drop in the bucket of a nauseating stew.

Hey BigBro,
Wow,
"hell hole of mass consumption"
"consumer culture ad adsurdum"
"themeing gone insane"
"nauseating stew"

I'm starting to get the impression you don't care for Vegas too much, but as a part time Vegas resident I'd say there is no need to apologize. We love it just the way it is, as do the millions who visit each year. Above all, Vegas is a lot of fun and there's always a lot to do. Sorry you can't relate.

See ya later. I'm going out to do some consuming at some insane theme place (It will be fun too).
MB

(Maybe I'm on the wrong BBS)

On 2007-09-02 08:58, Bongo Bungalow wrote:
Well... let's hope the interior of Trader Vics and the lanai will be true tiki.

Apparently you didn't read MrSmiley's post. "A better Margaritaville"..."the least theming of any of the eateries of the brand"..."floor-to-ceiling windows"..."DJ booth"..."Trader Vixens". Don't hold your breath.

Yeah... doesn't make sense does it?

Ok, so I'll 'fess up... brand management of restaurants happens to be what I do for a living. You build equity in a brand by having all elements support your vision of what it should be, and if that is something guests will buy into, you've got a profitable brand. You manage that brand by making sure that operations does all the big and little things that support the brand and you make sure that all marketing elements are also in line with the brand.

When your guests see the brand as you do, you have proper positioning. You brand position is what you "own" in the mind of your guests. You want in their heads, the same vision as you have for your brand.

A brand that has been around as long as Trader Vic's has equity. For decades people have know that Trader Vic's represents... what?... Tropical drinks, a place to escape, a place for groups to party, good exotic food, and a tropical, island, Polynesian, casual decor. Have I got that about right? Tiki too?

So, you build one in Las Vegas, and you compete with all the other restaurants and night clubs. There's hundreds of them, right? But you're Trader Vic's, you've got something no one else has. So you build your's restaurant to capitalize on your uniqueness. You can have evolved the brand, in fact, you must have relevance to today's clientèle and evolution is sometimes essential of this, but you can not leave the foundation of your positioning.

If Trader Vic's goes for 2007 contemporary music, service, decor, menu, drinks... then what do they have? Absolutely nothing!

Personally, I find the properties in LV to be over the top with themes. To compete there, for the tourist dollars, I would want my restaurant to be over the top too. (The only example not to, would be extreme fine dining. And even there, in that town, it would be expected that the painting in the foyer be an authentic Degas, Monet or Picaso.) So if I was doing a Trader Vic's, man, I think I'd have Tiki statues 40 feet tall, decor that absolutely transports you to the islands, a waterfall that fell 20 stories and outrigger canoes circling the restaurant!

My two cents.

Edit: But I should add, I don't know what the good folks at T.V. know about their restaurants. They may very well know what their doing.

BB

[ Edited by: Bongo Bungalow 2007-09-02 18:45 ]

Hi Bongo,
Your post is right on target in my opinion and I would love to see the T.V. that you have envisioned. Thanks for the insight of a knowledgeable professional. Your 2 cents make a lot of sense. But I really think everybody should hold off writing off the Vegas T.V. until it opens at least.

I was by there the other day and took a peak inside the door and at that point there is still a lot to do and it was difficult to imagine it opening this month, but who knows?
I think when it does open some people here will hate it, some will thinks it’s OK and some will love it. I hope I’m in the last group.

I just can’t understand people getting so upset that a T.V. dares to open in Las Vegas. Will it raise such a fuss if they open one in those tropical oasis’s of Washington D.C. or Kansas City?

BTW, Las Vegas is cutting back on the “theme” stuff in the major hotels and casinos. Even the Luxor will soon be dropping their Egyptian theme. And the really hot thing now is the ultra-lounge clubs, which I find disappointing since I’m way too old for that stuff.

One thing about Vegas. It’s always changing.
MB

Hey Bongo Bungalow:

I get what you mean about competition, and how it takes some hyper-modulation to get brand attention in Vegas.

Part of what have made many TV's work for me was resemblance to enclosed fishing huts, with the implication that the rest of a (small) island was just outside the door.
Rather than promote claustrophobia as one might suppose, a well done enclosure can provide soothing reassurance of safety, especially when there's nothing threatening outside either. "... no lights, no phones, no motorcars" is just the right thing to unwind and let go.

On the other hand,

Tiki statues 40 feet tall, decor that absolutely transports you to the islands, a waterfall that fell 20 stories and outrigger canoes circling the restaurant!

Hey, I'd check it out...

Wow, 'Trader Vixens'.. look dude, I'm here till my agent gets me a role on 24 !!!

On 2007-09-02 20:07, ThreeTikis wrote:

I just can’t understand people getting so upset that a T.V. dares to open in Las Vegas. Will it raise such a fuss if they open one in those tropical oasis’s of Washington D.C. or Kansas City?

BTW, Las Vegas is cutting back on the “theme” stuff in the major hotels and casinos. Even the Luxor will soon be dropping their Egyptian theme. And the really hot thing now is the ultra-lounge clubs, which I find disappointing since I’m way too old for that stuff.

One thing about Vegas. It’s always changing.
MB

Well put, MB. Some of the nation's most celebrated chefs have restaurants in LV, certainly having a Trader Vic's is no stretch.

The ultra-lounge club sounds like a short life-span idea. Easy to claim you're one, easy to drop when the fad passes.

I always say I never want to be the "hot spot" in town. The hot spot changes way too fast. So when you've cooled down, what have you got if all your business has moved on to the next hot spot?

But, as you say, in LV it's always changing, so maybe it's a different mindset in such a tourist area. I've had the luxury of attracting long-term guests. And to do that you value consistancy.

I think the placement of the Vegas Trader Vics could be good. Tiki has always been about escape, and where does one need escape more from than the flashing lights, huge fabric billboards, and mega-activity of the Vegas strip?

Sure, there will be a gauntlet of hyper-activity and grandiose visual billboard stimulae that one would have to go through to reach the Vegas Trader Vics. But what will the atmosphere be like once you walk inside the front doors - especially when it is one of those 100 degree Vegas days outside? If you suddenly feel more calm and relaxed, as if you really were on a Pacific Island, then Trader Vics will have done their job.

The pictures that stuff-o-rama posted, from way up high in the Bellagio, give a good sense of the placement of the new Trader Vics. But remember that those pictures are taken from outside, looking to the new location. When you are inside the Trader Vics, you will be looking out - and thus hopefully missing much of the visual clutter you see. And what might you see when looking outwards, from the top floor lounge? - some palm trees, the dancing waters of the Bellagio Fountains (one of the more relaxing sights on the strip), a life-size replica of a Hot Air Balloon. OK, the latter doesn't fit with the traditional perspectives of Polynesian life, but it does represent escapism - perhaps a long leisure journey from Paris, France (the neighboring casino) to the French Polynesia.

I'm sure it won't be a perfect setting. There will likely be at least one irritating billboard in sight. But it will be better than what is outside, and that is what will count.

Vern

"Just inside is the restaurant, which has the least theming of any of the eateries of the brand "

Did anyone read that line in the report about Vic's? The LEAST THEMING?!?!? This is just another in a series of points where Trader Vics' head cheeses don't seem to get it. Having not seen design sketches or photos of the interior to the new Vic's, I could be off base. But that one line really makes me worry. I mean, how can you create "a touchstone for all the brand" if your touchstone has "the lease theming of any of the eateries of the brand"? Tiki is all about themeing. A tiki interior should be dripping with stuff.

I find it hard to believe that tikiphiles are going to flock into a minimalist dinning room and say "wow, let me get a picture of the spectacular white bare wall!"

I spoke with Sven Koch from Trader Vic's yesterday about getting inside to photograph it next week when i am there. he says that the ownership has changed and that LVTV will be different than originally planned. I have written the Las Vegas Trader Vic's without luck but i will get what pictures I can next week. If any of you have a suggestion on who to contact, please let me know.

Okonkuluku folks...

So, my take on the TV thing....I've only been to two before that I can recall in the short term (I don't even remember my childhood so I may have been to more but sans cocktails which is like not going at all). Anyhow, enough meta-history on my past. Atlanta is cool ...Phoenix/Scottsdale, well that's home for me even though I live in Boston now. So, I am stoked there is something there besides Drift.

In my experience so far, I think TV corporate and the staff arent the same ; AJ (who is moving to vegas from AZ to manage the new TVLV) is a great guy; when I met him XMAS05 we talked for a long time . Traded a WAITIKI CD for a cocktail and had long conversations that year. Last year, while hanging with TikiTina and her husband, we met eager bar staff who were thrilled to talk to me about ice shells and rum selections and recipes. Hell, I even told them about BeachBum Berry's book and tried to correct a couple recipes we discussed - they were stoked since the whole tiki thing was new to them. I haven't eaten there and yes, scottsdale TV is very modern, in that southwest-not-so-south-pacific way - but it could be worse: there could be NOTHING. and i would rather that the place stay open (even if it means the decor and food has to cater to the local trends). A bunch of closed restaurants doesn't do the tiki community any good. You can tell symbolically this is going to continue probably; the TVs will still more modern; much of the old photography and old tiki stuff now gets "framed" and treated as historical pieces on the walls etc. which represents the company, in my opinion, reflecting on their past as their past, and their future as being more modern.

Music wise...well, representing WAITIKI here, we'd love to play at TV openings and special events. Sent a press kit over a year ago and had first contact about two years ago; so far, beyond brief chats with AJ (who wasn't able to host entertainment inside Scottsdale he said) we have gotten no responses about them being interested in what we do...which seems to be a very good fit given the shortage of exotica bands these days :wink: Nonetheless, we keep trying. I've contacted a few folks between the Press Release and the current website about seeing if they want to do a spectacle (we're good at those) for the opening party. My guess is that management knows what it wants to do, and I agree with the branding thread discussed earlier here; they may see that the tiki community isn't thrilled but unless we seriously represent a large portion of their income each year, I am not surprised if the mainstream wants will determine how they position themselves in the difficult restaurant market.

If you don't like it folks, just have another one! THat's what we do at rehearsals whenever I write another tune in WAITIKI.

haha - by the way, one way we're tackling the shortage of cool tiki places is by making our own experience. In november, waitiki may do a special event with beachbum berry; we've got a restaurant who has agreed to let the Bum come up and bartend (lead the staff) in making several of his classic tiki tropicals along with WAITIKI. When you can't go out for the right drink, just bring it to you! More on this in future WAITIKI newsletters.

Okonkuluku,
Mr. Ho

LVTV will be different than originally planned.

That's what I heard from my Dallas contact too...such as not offering a complete drink menu (wha???).

Also, as of this past Saturday, they still don't have a general manager.

i've seen some of the tikis going into the vic's. they are big and great looking.

other than that, i won't pass judgement on something that isn't even open.

and vegas is more than just the strip.

jeeze . . .

it'll proabaly just end up morphing into another hipster trendy club for 20 -30 somethings...if you think for a second that this will be some sort of relaxing escape from all the hoo-ha on the boulavard you are sadly mistaken...expect large screen televisions pumping out one music video after another and club music 24/7....anything remotely resembling exotica music will not be heard....

I know Vegas is more than just the strip...more generic stucco strip malls and Spielberg suburbs and McMansions...whatever original, historic else is left is such a minute blip on the screen, it fizzles away in the heat like a Fata Morgana.
I, in this case, have to concur with the misanthropic Tipsy: Trader Vic's is firmly situated ON the strip, and will have a hard time to exclude itself from the stripper antics of such venues as "Rum Jungle", which now prides itself in serving Tommy Bahama rums!

wow, i'm speecheless. i really don't know how to respond to that. i'm sorry you have that level of distaste for our city. i hope it doesn't keep you up at night.

pdrake, people rag on my city (Orlando) all the time. Hell, I rag on my city all the time. You have to let it roll off you. Don't take it personally. Everyone has an opinion and opinions aren't wrong. I've been to Vegas four times. Once in the early 70s as a kid, once in '89 before the themeing took over and twice since the place turned into Disney World on steroids. I much prefer the old Vegas. The in-your-face, over-the-top themeing of the strip does nothing for me. I've come to accept that Vegas is a city that strives for constant change. Out with the old, in with the new. I just don't like what it's changed into, that's all.

Tiki enthusiasts, (like me), long for more tiki places to go and wonder why tiki places to go are not more popular. That's it in a nut shell, isn't it?

On 2007-09-06 23:06, bigbrotiki wrote:
I know Vegas is more than just the strip...more generic stucco strip malls and Spielberg suburbs and McMansions...whatever original, historic else is left is such a minute blip on the screen, it fizzles away in the heat like a Fata Morgana.
I, in this case, have to concur with the misanthropic Tipsy: Trader Vic's is firmly situated ON the strip, and will have a hard time to exclude itself from the stripper antics of such venues as "Rum Jungle", which now prides itself in serving Tommy Bahama rums!

Gee Bigbrotiki, you sure have a way with words. Have you ever considered writing a book? .... No, I mean a real book. - My coffee table is already full.

(I think I just got banned from this site - Oh well)

I really have to apologize to PD for my harsh perspective on his hometown. He is a valuable contributor and I have always enjoyed his posts. Also to Mr and Mrs Smiley and Lee for not looking them up. I had a miserable time with the heat and work the 4 days I was there two weeks ago. I got to see both of Lee's stores in the Antique malls there, they were virtual Tikis Oases in a sea of junk.

But in my outlook on Vegas, you have to see where I am coming from: I practically LIVE in the past...the mid-century one. Vegas has systematically destroyed every example of its very iconic, glamorous history from that period. I went to Vegas in the 80s, when I fell in love with THE MINT, what a gorgeous example of neon architecture that place was! I shot a low budget movie there in the early 90s and stayed at the El Morroco Motel next to the Peppermill and La Concha. The La Concha's sign and lobby were still intact. The rooms at the El Morroco had not been changed since forever, they were so original that Martin Scorcese chose one several years later to shoot the Sharon-Stone-cheating-with-that-nasty lil guy (?) scene in Goodfellas in them without changing a thing about the decor!

And we all know that great Stardust sign photo from the Book of Tiki! Incredible. My favorite case for preservation is this sign:

We all know it. It is THE logo of Vegas now, not only for all the souvenir shops there, but it is used in ads, movie posters, on buildings, in any conceivable form. That little sign. Well, I remember a time when the L.V. city council was talking about tearing that sign down, because it looked outdated. Now they could not pay for the branding value this sign has created (well, actually, if anybody, they could...) I wish I could go back in time to the early 90s and take that sign down, and watch all the product and ads out now suddenly go blank.

I know there are a few cool places left, I went to Battista's this time, and the Liberace Museum, and Sigfried and Roy's Secret Garden... but in comparison to what was there and what replaced it!?

There are a lot of people who cannot understand how one can live in Los Angeles, I just say everyone has to decide for themselves what their reasons are.

[ Edited by: bigbrotiki 2007-09-07 08:39 ]

understood. i agree that vegas is not a place that puts value in historical and vintage things.

no worries.

On 2007-09-07 08:37, bigbrotiki wrote:
The rooms at the El Morroco had not been changed since forever, they were so original that Martin Scorcese chose one several years later to shoot the Sharon-Stone-cheating-with-that-nasty lil guy (?) scene in Goodfellas in them without changing a thing about the decor!

And we all know that great Stardust sign photo from the Book of Tiki! Incredible. My favorite case for preservation is this sign:

I think you meant the other Scorcese film Casino, based on Lefty Rosenthal and the Stardust. I started going there as a kid and when the Aku Aku was being built in the late fifties, I remember pestering Eli Hedley while he worked on the Aku Aku. My mother Ione stayed at the Stardust often and I used to play Blackjack while sitting next to her, after a few trips they all knew me and none of the pit bosses seemed to mind. I would wear sunglasses and dress older.
Years later, a new pit boss had me thrown out of the casino. "Who does he think he is I thought? I've been playing here for years and some hot shot pit boss is going to throw me out?"

This new guy didn't look like any of the other pit bosses who had worked there over the years. He had blond hair and blue eyes and was easy to spot. I thought my only chance to play was when this new boss wasn't working.
I returned frequently over the next 4 days but this new pit boss seemed to live there. I never did get to play that trip.
Many years later I saw Casino where De Nero played Lefty but it still didn't register until I saw a documentary about the Stardust and there was the blonde haired pit boss that had me thrown out so long ago. Guess I'm lucky his short friend didn't catch me.

[ Edited by: ojaitimo 2007-09-18 13:02 ]

If you don't like it folks, just have another one! THat's what we do at rehearsals whenever I write another tune in WAITIKI.

haha - by the way, one way we're tackling the shortage of cool tiki places is by making our own experience. In november, waitiki may do a special event with beachbum berry; we've got a restaurant who has agreed to let the Bum come up and bartend (lead the staff) in making several of his classic tiki tropicals along with WAITIKI. When you can't go out for the right drink, just bring it to you! More on this in future WAITIKI newsletters.

Okonkuluku,
Mr. Ho

Well Put. I have plans to do the same thing here with the Tikiyaki Orchestra on the West Coast. The great thing about this Tiki microcosm is that it's an art community...That means music, artists, tiki carvers, mixologists, writers.....All different food groups of the arts which can all co-exist under one roof, making the sum bigger than the separate parts. Put together bands, artists, carvers and you have an EVENT. That's way more fun than just having a "gig" somewhere.

As for TV....after they cheezed out on the Beverly Hills location, it became obvious where they were at.

Look out, Don The beachcomber is on the move, and if they make their franchises anything like the one in KONA, we will ALL be a bunch of happy Tikis.

Yup Tim, "Casino", you're absolutely right...I am as bad with film titles as I am with names, couldn't even remember that it was Joe Pesci who bunked with Sharon Stone in that scene at the El Morocco....Jeez.
I loved the art direction of the film, all that bungalow eleganza stuff was so right on the money.

Regarding the newest (Las Vegas) Trader Vic's: I think we all just have to "wait and see". I'm looking forward to going to its grand opening next month, and I hope for the best, naturally. But if it's anything like the "new" Los Angeles Trader Vic's, I will cry big tears into my Chi-Chi. However, WHATEVER the Vegas Trader Vic's turns out to be, let's all remember that there are plenty of creative Tiki folks out there, building their own, new, independant Tiki bars and we're all enjoying THOSE, aren't we?! We cannot compliment enough the swelligance (not a real word, I know) of Forbidden Island, The Purple Orchid, The Conga Room... to name just three. And there are still our some of our old favorites, still flourishing: The Alibi, Mai Kai, Tiki-Tiki (in Tokyo... I was just there and it rocked my world, as did the Tokyo Trader Vic's!) So, if the new T.Vic's Vegas does not please us, they just will not have our repeat business. Simple as that. But there are plenty of other places that will. But, yes, of course, we Tiki people are hoping it's fab. Too bad no one at Trader Vic's corporate office contacted any of us for design advice. Or did they?

Too bad no one at Trader Vic's corporate office contacted any of us for design advice. Or did they?

ha!! ....that'll be the day, buddy holly!!

Just got back from Vegas. Trader Vic's has a sign up that states "Opening Sept 2007" I looked in the window where the paper is torn off and the walls are bare so the opening may not be next month either. I have some pictures to post of LVTV and quite a few places around town that look interesting especially a place called Cheeseburgers in the Miracle Mile behind Trader Vic's. Las Vegas seems to be embracing tiki from what I saw and even if its not up to Aku Aku standards, its a good step in the right direction.

Life is a state of mind

[ Edited by: Ojaitimo 2007-09-13 00:39 ]

I have always found LV to be a fairly amazing place...been going there since I was a kid. It is sad to see the original places go under and then it is exciting to see the new places go up. If they ever blow up the Flamingo pool....I will definitely be crying. I feel lucky to have seen the original Sigfried and Roy ages ago and also in one of their last shows with the white tigers....you just don't see stuff like that anywhere else. I love the buildings (exterior and interior) and that is why I go there now...the Luxor, Belagio, Paris, Venetian, and so many more. I do look forward to going to the TV and hope it will add a little flair of tropical elegance to that unbelievable oasis in the desert...commercialism at its finest. :)

I was watching E! channel (which always talks about Hollywood types) and in between Paris and Britney, they showed and talked about the soon to be open Trader Vics. Showed and said the owners name too.

Vegas, baby! It's all about pretty people. Do you think 'studs' who siphon a couple of mil in 2 a club want fat guys in 'Rayon' inside ?????

If T.V. want a less touristy crowd .. they would of opened in Henderson, NV

What if its silk?

Can anyone provide an update on the TV opening date? Anyone in Vegas been by there more recently?

Those pictures from a week ago make it look like "Opening in September" is a big fat lie.....

On 2007-09-17 08:12, teaKEY wrote:
I was watching E! channel (which always talks about Hollywood types) and in between Paris and Britney, they showed and talked about the soon to be open Trader Vics. Showed and said the owners name too.

I saw this on E! as well. The TV rep they interviewed said October 5th for the grand opening in that interview, so it appears that is the public opening date.....

....prior to october 5th i.m sure there will be a few pre-opening v.i.p. parties with all sorts of celebrities and west coast whores runnin around in skimpy outfits...that's the opening I want to go to!!!

Ad in this week's Las Vegas Weekly

I'll be in Vegas the week of the 22nd. Looking forward to giving it a review. Thanks for the updates everyone.

J'Jim

http://www.viciscoming.com/

let the music play for awhile. cool hawaiian stuff after the drums.

October is perfect for the opening. Buffett is playing at the MGM on Oct 20 and Oct 27. Parrot heads are everywhere and most likely they will overrun TVs. Alternate universes will collide. :)

On 2007-09-22 15:14, pdrake wrote:
http://www.viciscoming.com/

let the music play for awhile. cool hawaiian stuff after the drums.

More info here: http://www.tradervicslv.com/

I like the Aku Aku reference.

a buddy of mine just got back from vegas saturday night...apparently the place opens this friday according to the sign on the door..he said the place was real empty and it didn't look like the place could open in one weeks time....i said he underestimates the power of vegas money...any other city in the u.s. and he would have been correct, but when something needs to open in a weeks time in vegas, miracles can happen....but with the way they keep changing the date, we'll have to wait and see....