Is Star Trek Tiki????

bought our tix online for the cinerama ~ i'm bringin my camera incase there's trekkies.

How about vintage star trek actress? Grog know what dat look like?

http://enterprisewax.com/images/star_thumbs/barbara_luna_framed.jpg

I'm just back from seeing the new film it were great but what the fuck was that accent all about? A Londoner doing an impression of Ewan Bremmner (aka Spud from Trainspotting) talking a bit like a Dundonian. Sometimes he's not even doing the accent but the Glasgow audience did appreciate it when Scotty went "Get tae!".

On 2009-05-13 12:05, Cammo wrote:
Was that the point? Was it some sort of bizarre ownership thing, to make a club so repulsive that only diehard fans and ones who believed in the same hardcore principals could join? And then speak for and own the criticism of a creative property? To be so obnoxious that they clear the room of any reasonable competition?

Or were they just a bunch of dicks?

So that settles it... Star Trek is indeed tiki.

It's all painfully there in black and white, folks:

***Some of these Trekkies were geniuses, some were professional people who used Star Trek to promote and enjoy their businesses. But some were very odd indeed; stalkers, slightly disturbed, and passionately involved in the underlying philosophy of Star Trek’s pacifist basis.

Which is ridiculous, of course.

Trekkies had so muddied their own bathwater that it almost seemed planned, like a dog systematically pissing on fire hydrants to mark his territory.
Star Trek, to me, felt …. well ….pissed on.

it cost 16 clams 50 to get in... ...So here was the first thing I saw:

They were sitting around selling Star Trek toys! At least that’s what it looked like; when I got closer I realized that they were just showing off their toys, which weren’t all that great to begin with. They look creepily-played-with, actually. I don’t think they realized how bizarre it was to be showing off your slightly beat up, yellowed-box set of Shatner and Nimoy dolls in front of a giant sign with different people playing the same characters.

***(complete with devolution of tiki/Buffet/hippie/Parrothead/Dead-Head/Bacardi/Wildsville-Man comment)
***But the saddest guy at the table, the absolute lamest thing I've ever seen, (I couldn't bring myself to take a picture of it) was the guy at the end who was showing off his collection of STAR WARS toys! That's right, somehow he had snuck in and had one of those Darth Vader toy boxes that hinge open to hold leetle teeny Darth Vaders inside...

...he was SO proud of it.***

"Not a single Trekkie in sight when GROG went to the packed Imax move...The crowd applauded at the end of the movie and alot them stayed all the way through the credits." -GROG-

Yes, not a single Trekkie...A whole Imax theater full of them.

***** Spoilers! If you haven’t seen the movie, see it first before reading this! *****

So the movie flat out ROCKS. It’s designed to rock, they hired the right guys to make it rock, and ROCK IT DOES.

It rocks in the right places,
It rocks with the right sound,
If it rocked any harder
They’d have to shoot it down.

It’s full on giant scale hits you right off with a great nod to the son-of-a-gun naval tradition (look it up) of Kirk’s birth, lots of tattooed bad guys, heck they throw everything at you plus the kitchen sink and then go for more. It’s a BIG movie. I don’t know if I would have paid 17 clams for it, but 16-50 was a deal, bub.

The best scene by far was right in the middle, usually where all the old Star Trek movies would slow down a bit and try to get philosophical. Instead, they just throw Kirk, Sulu and some red shirt out of a shuttle craft and tell them to go destroy the bad guys, cause the fate of the entire Galaxy hangs on them.

That’s it. That’s about the whole plot.

So in a scene ripped right out of Heinlein, they do a scream jump and for once you get a real taste of the silent emptiness of space as these guys drop head first to the planet below. They slowly fall, hit the atmosphere, and MAN you can feel the sweat as their suits heat up and the gravity kicks in and they try to keep cool before chuting out, getting yanked up out of control and trying to stay in formation, that drilling platform is coming up real fast and you get only one chance to be a hero and this is it, boys.

Now if the fate of the entire Galaxy were hanging on my shoulders, I’d get a pulse rifle or two, then jump out of the shuttle. Actually, considering that the Enterprise seems willing to arm its crew, even the guys in the cafeteria to the teeth, I’d grab about 60 phasers, bombs, pulse disruptors, anti-grav decoys and 6 or 7 other redshirts to shove in front of me while I’m setting the fuses and lobbing them from about 50 feet in the rear.

But Kirk just doesn’t think that way. He goes in UNARMED. He goes in with a pack of cigarettes and a slippery-handled phaser that keeps flying out of his hand with the slightest breeze. It’s good that Sulu came along, cause at least he brings a sword in his back pocket. Kirk would be Kentucky Fried Chicken without that sword. But that’s Kirk for ya, all balls, no brains, where’s da smokes?

The whole scene goes on and on, to a final mid-air beam out that saves their lives JUST as they were about to make a big strawberry jam stain on the planet’s rocky hills. It’s pretty dang exciting, not the least of it all about being filmed by shaky hand held camera effects, and swirling crab shots that keep showing you the 3-mile cliff edge they’re fighting on.

Industrial Light and Magic apparently did the harder effects shots, and they did such a good job Star Wars now looks as cheesy as the original Jaws shark. This may not have been such a good idea in retrospect, but George Lucas has been looking awfully confused in the media lately anyway.

Here’s my only beef; I don’t like the beam-up effect.

It looks like people are getting attacked by bees. They’re supposed to Beam Up, not Bee Up. With all those little effects dials and buttons and storyboarders and digital hi-resolution 3058807 terrabyte playback systems they have over at ILM, you’d think they’d come up with something a weedle bit better. Maybe they didn’t WANT to. Maybe it was a tiny bit of sabotage on ILM’s part, not to make the beam-up look very cool. It’s a mystery that may never be solved. Who cares anyway? The movie ROCKED.

The other killer cool part of the film was the very simple scene of Spock declining to join the Vulcan Institute of Science. It was underplayed perfectly, as Spock realizes slowly but firmly (at the same time with the audience) that the Institute is just as prejudiced as the bullies he’s grown up with. It’s subtle, and goes right to the heart of anybody who’s been stiffed by a smirking snob, and that’s everybody in the room. I could feel the entire audience shifting in their seats, siding with Spock, getting drawn in. It’s a classic Star Trek moment, a scene Bob Justman would have been proud of.

Who needs a plot without holes with scenes like that every once in a while?

On 2009-05-09 13:54, Hakalugi wrote:
Maybe this will clarify things:

Ah yes, a Horga'hn fertility statue from Risa.
There's currently one up for sale on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Trek-TNG-DS9-Horgahn-statue-prop_W0QQitemZ330329362140QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4ce92a0edc&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A4|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A200

Holy Mysterious Sexual Practices, this thing is really cool!

That's it.

I guess Star Trek IS Tiki.

Star Trek is Tiki
and Cammo is Lame.

end of story...

Star Trek isn't tiki but Risa the pleasure planet is defiantly poly-pop, behold the Risan Mai-Tai..

A Risan mai-tai

A Risan mai-tai was an orange cocktail beverage garnished with two fruits served on Risa.
Malcolm Reed and Trip Tucker ordered Risan mai-tais when they spend two days on the planet in early 2152. Tucker later wondered whether his headache was caused by the mai-tais or by getting shot. (ENT: "Two Days and Two Nights")

THAT bush NEEDS a tiki.

Remember what Richard Prior said about chicks with green hair?

Okay, I saw the new ST -- and it's good. Very good. I do have a couple of notes...

But first, let me forthrightly admit that I am a Trekkie.

No, I don't have any costumes, or props (except for my Hor'ghan, mentioned elsewhere around here, which to me is as Tiki as Tiki gets, interplanetarily speaking), nor do I attend conventions or seek autographs or speak Klingon. Oh, alright I know a couple of Klingon words (and they come in handy from time to time). I don't belong to any fan clubs, or have a yellowing paperback collection going back to the days of Harlan Ellison and David Gerrold... But I am a Trekkie. And I'm proud to be a Trekkie.

I know the characters, their history, their passions, their relationships, their desires, their triumphs and tragedies. I know the Enterprise, from the bow of her Primary Hull, to the parting of her Secondary Hull's clamshell Shuttlecraft Hangar Bay Doors, and on up to her twin Warp Nacelles. I love knowing that ship, and have ever since I first laid eyes on her. She took me to places few people I knew (or have known) can understand, and as a direct result of the influence of her the nautical heritage, I would later come to know of the discoveries of Captain Cook, learn about the mutiny on the Bounty, and delve into other tales of the South Pacific.

I have a little speculative theory that Gene Roddenberry, in his early days, saw two movies that became the synthesis for Star Trek: "Forbidden Planet", and "Captain Hornblower". I can easily imagine him as a young aspiring producer, watching Gregory Peck intimately point out the stars to Virginia Mayo aboard the Indefatigable, and later, witnessing the space-cruiser C-57D's landing on Altair IV..., and synthesizing these prime ingredients into the series he would launch in the early '60's. Knock Roddenberry all you like. For me the guy was a hero. "Science Fiction" was "Lost In Space" as far as the network execs were concerned, and Roddenberry fought like hell to smarten the genre up (in the tradition of Serling and DeStefano). Oh sure, he had help; some of the best: Justman, Coon, Fontana, Ellision and Gerrold, and, for my money, Jerry Sohl, who single-handedly sharpened (if not coined) the ship's ensemble with his flat-out-brilliant script for "The Corbomite Maneuver" (which I am sure was the first in-production episode after the two pilots, if not the first show aired).

Did I mention I was a Trekkie? Hasn't done me any harm at all. In later years it would help get me into the Writer's Guild (ST:TNG), not to mention making part of the down on my house (ST: The Experience, in LV). Thanks, Gene.

Now, I can see that some among The Ohana here have a dislike for Trekkies. Some especially like to show their disdain for those who put on funny vintage apparel (and may not have the best physiques), and passionately collect weird artifacts, and gather in cliqueish groups to boast of their arcane knowledge and acquisitions. But who's to say who's a whack-job and who's not? It's a big Universe, and one thing that Star Trek taught me, which I embraced early on, was a fascination with diversity, and tolerance toward others. Even the whack-jobs. One of my favorite episodes as a kid was the one with Michael Dunn, that elegant dwarf, who, when offered the power to mentally trounce the psychic bullies who had made his life miserable, opted to simply leave them behind, and let the Enterprise take him away. My family life -- well, let's just say that I often longed to book passage aboard that starship. And ultimately, through a lot of dreams mixed with a lot of hard work, in a way, I did.

So if there are any "closet-Trekkies" lurking about, and I don't expect anyone to admit it, in light of some of the prior ribbing in this thread, but if there are, or if there are some who may be considering becoming Trekkies (since the new Trek movie is, really, so boss), I hope you won't be judged too mercilessly if you simply must put on a funny outfit and go hang out with the other weirdos for a while. I certainly hope your picture doesn't end up on TC (or if it does, that your wardrobe fits better that most), where you may risk encountering some few hostile and/or primitive lifeforms. Whatever, remember the Prime Directive says you have to put up with that crap.

For those Trekkies with more literary inclinations (and who may be more inclined to spend their $$ on Alohas instead of Starfleet uniforms), allow me to highly recommend Stephen Whitfield's "The Making Of Star Trek" for anyone who's interested in getting a ripping-fun insider's view of what Star Trek's early days of production and pre-production were like. Published while ST:TOS was still on-air, it's a highly entertaining time-warp right back to the show's inception, and a must read for anyone who may be curious about the passions, squabbles, pranks, and problem-solving that went into getting what was then a cutting-edge show produced. It's also, even now, a valuable insight into the process of writing and producing for episodic television. (As bountiful a read to Star Trek enthusiasts as Jerome Agel's "The Making of 2001" is to that film's admirers.)

Now, my Trekkie-related notes about ST 11 are pretty slim: I was a tad disappointed in Michael Giacchino score, which, while I thought it very adequately served the film, oddly lacked any compositional reference to Star Trek's long, pedigreed musical heritage (Fred Steiner, Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner), until the end credits, where Alexander Courage's signature theme felt rather tacked-on. Use it or don't, this is a "new interpretation", I get it; but this just seemed markedly uneven (and I am a Giacchino fan, particularly of "The Incredibles" score, so I'm not looking to bust his baton for the heck of it.) I'm also a bit trepidatious about the changing-the-future-storyline-thing, but mostly because I've got a mothballed ST-related pitch I'd like to shop to Paramount, and I'm wondering if the premise it's built on is still viable... And while I thought the script was short on good story, I felt it did well serve its primary purpose of bringing a new ensemble cast together, and successfully setting the tone for Star Trek's welcome return in a fresh and exciting way. By all means I recommend it, whether you're a fan of the franchise or not -- it's two hours of some of the best kick-ass cinematic fun since Iron Man, and I think most Trekkies will dig the love, if not all of the lore, that's gone into it.

For those who are definitely NOT Trekkies, but have seen the new Trek movie and like it, well... "Resistance Is Futile." (And look out -- Timo takes pics of everybody... :) )

So... "Is Star Trek 'Tiki'?" If Tiki means to you (as it does to me) exotic ports of call, relentless adventure, alluring wahini' (or kane') of whatever color, storied weaponry, alien gods, and eccentric booze (also of whatever color, but look out for Scotty's green private stock), then hellya, I say it is.

Live Long and Fabloha,
SOK

"Don't let it be forgot,
That once there was a Spot,
Where Blowfish all wore sunglasses,
and Tiki-times were hot..."
SOK

(Edited for brevity :D )

[ Edited by: Son-of-Kelbo 2009-05-20 03:51 ]

"Edited for brevity"

Thanks SoK :lol:

Actually, we tiki geeks are not that far off from the ST geeks - I kinda thought that's where Cammo was going with this

We wear outrageous outfits, collect old artifacts and yellowed matchbook covers, fill our heads full of arcane and useless trivial, listen to weird music, insist we have the only true mai tai recipe, very passionately discuss what are the boundaries of our collective interests, etc, etc, etc.

Sometimes we're so ridiculous that even the Trekkies are laughing at us :lol:

my phaser is only set to stun...

Stunning, Inky. Your phaser is set to stunning.

Star Trek Convention in Las Vegas this weekend. Should be fun!

Star Trek Convention at Las Vegas Hilton

Shatner and Nimoy together again!

Thanks for all the thoughts...after giving it some thought, maybe ST is more Tiki than originally thought.

'Thinking it would be interesting to see an entire Class M planet of Tiki culture visited by the Enterprise.

No Star Trek is not Tiki, Tiki is not Star Trek, they are 2 separate Topics of interest.
No affront to Star Trek whatsoever, both have their fans, but in words any Trek fan can appreciate...
"It is illogical, Jim"

This advice is not free, so that will be 12,000 Quatloo's

This was a thread I have been long meaning to return to as Cammo pieces were really well written. At the time of their original posting I hadn't seen the movie (and I hate any comments or insights or blurbs about plots of films or books I plan to see or read) so I didn't read the longer posts on the film. (The film was great.)

My friends (and my dad and youngest sister and her husband) are big Star Trek fans.* I'd never think of any of us as Trekkies (other than the sister and brother-in-law) but we wouldn't be put off by Trekkies. It seems odd to me that the people in Cammo's circle found Trekkies to be so annoying that they wouldn't consider seeing the film when Cammo wanted to.

People who would be put off by the presence of Trekkies are probably people who are seriously concerned with their image and how "cool" they appear. Being at an event full of geeks/dorks/nerds would bother them because they'd be worried that others might think they're one of the people they themselves look down on. And since most people who constantly worry about their image are extremely insecure about that image they wouldn't want to risk the association.

Cammo's (and Son-of-Kelbo's) comments of the similarities between Tiki fans and Trekkies were interesting and a comparison that wouldn't have occurred to me. The parallels with Trekkies and Tiki people are really strong. I wouldn't ever consider Star Trek to be Tiki but the passion and behavior of the two cultures are strikingly similar. Tiki people have far more in common with Trekkies than sports fans.

The Trekkies at the Star Trek screening with their toys wasn't so odd, the desire to get together with people who understand your passion is just as strong with Tiki people.

Trekkies have the benefit of being into a part of pop culture that the general public is aware of but Tiki people don't have the oustider/loser stigma that Trekkies do.

And Tiki people have cooler stuff. Vintage Star Trek items are limited, most Star Trek stuff is modern collectibles made for fans. I personally find the saddest aspect of the Trekkies to be the collectiong of overpriced mass produced MADE IN CHINA resin junk which is only manufactured to take advantage of their passion. Tiki people would never be so gullible.

*Except for Deep Space Nine and Enterprise, a show which I think was hampered by one of the worst TV show theme songs ever recorded.

Sometimes its hard to say your a trekkie, I can only compare peoples reactions to trekkies as being equal to the reaction a Disney animator would get if Drawing Mickey Mouse were muddled in the public mind with drawing Furry porn.

I'm an atypical trekkie in that I love the original series, but I also love the original starwars, and I don't consider Enterprise, Voyager, and DS9 the direct spawn of Satan (I also love Starlost and the original Battlestar Galactica... So no accounting for taste).

Star Trek may not be tiki, but with a mixologist doctor, a drunk technician, and an alien who moralizes about drinking like a Mormon designated driver it can't be far off... maybe a little less googie and a little more tiki, give the doctor a fez, kirk some Hawaiian shirts, and spock an easter island head.

Secrets of Easter Island ~ Leonard Nimoy

Is Star Trek Tiki?

No!

On 2011-01-11 20:29, telescopes wrote:
Is Star Trek Tiki?

No!

Is this going to prevent me from setting up a Risan Tiki bar in my lounge complete with Tribbles?

No!

Star Trek exhibit at Los Angeles County Fair August 20-September 29, 2013

Star Trek: Events
Los Angeles County Fair: Exhibits

Star Trek is not tiki. County Fairs are not tiki. Do 2 negatives make...?

I went to Star Trek exhibit a few years ago and favorite item on display was dress worn by go-go girl who stole Spock's brain.

Just for bringing this thread back to life KB33
I am going to beam a whole kit and kaboodle of Tribbles
into your engine room!

And for adding a post that created a new page in this thread and disrupting it's continuity, ATP, I am beaming over Dr Smith doing a go-go dance in a hippie wig into your GNDN tubes.

On 2013-08-09 11:20, King Bushwich the 33rd wrote:
Star Trek exhibit at Los Angeles County Fair August 20-September 29, 2013

Star Trek: Events
Los Angeles County Fair: Exhibits

Star Trek is not tiki. County Fairs are not tiki. Do 2 negatives make...?

I went to Star Trek exhibit a few years ago and favorite item on display was dress worn by go-go girl who stole Spock's brain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZVdR19E5mU&list=PL0B0388908C6FF8FC

Star Trek Exhibit - Los Angeles County Fair 2013
Available light photo of Dress/Uniform worn by Kara, the Eymorg from the Sigma Draconis system that stole Spock's Brain in the episode called Spock's Brain
Not tiki but mid-century modern

IT's been said before and it will be said again, 'NO!" Not Tiki

I've been lurking for some time. When I saw this thread, I just had to set you straight:

That is as Tiki as this is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSC2HmCGVns

I submit that Star Trek is, indeed, Tiki. Carefully watch the cave scenes in "A Private Little War." You will see modified Malama Torches(TM)!!! ~~~~

NO.

At least you based that on TOS Trek, Ernie :)

Not my drawing.

Star Trek Voyager

Is Star Trek tiki now?

Star Trek: Tiki Mugs

"Weird Al" Yankovic - White & Nerdy (Official Video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw

I WAS excited about the Star Trek tikis, but then I saw that they're coming out with UNIVERSAL STUDIOS MONSTERS TIKI MUGS!!!! OMG!!!!

And Wolverine, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and Guardians of the Galaxy...
These are really getting tiresome to me; it feels like there's another batch announced every couple weeks. And beyond the Not Tiki factor, they don't even look good. If you can't even mildly interest me in a Universal Monsters item, you're doing something wrong.

FYI, their current line-up of (Non-Tiki) character mugs can be found here:
http://www.geekitikis.com/products

I'm sure there'll be more to come.

The stuff that diverges too wildly, like Marvel and Star Wars characters, doesn't interest me. But the Monsters have a mid-century pop-culture pedigree that works for the concept. I'm at least getting the Creature from the Black Lagoon, if none of the others. I do think that one looks awesome. I'll see about the other ones depending on price and how it looks in-hand.

Next Generation!?

Comicbook.com:'Star Trek: The Next Generation' Tiki Mugs Have Arrived

The 2nd from your right is suppose to be a Borg but it looks like the high school teacher from the animated series Daria..

[ Edited by: King Bushwich the 33rd 2017-09-18 15:10 ]

Not tiki but exotica?

YouTube:Orion green girl dance