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How the Pacific Islanders Saved Civilization
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Mon, Jun 21, 2004 2:22 PM
or how they helped to threaten the institution of marriage, however you wanna look at it. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=3572731 Tapu Misa: You can thank Pacific Islanders for your view of sexuality 16.06.2004 Depending on where you stand on the homosexual debate, we in the Pacific Since those first European explorers sailed into the warm waters of the Thanks to the work of countless writers, artists and ethnographers, that But according to Dr Lee Wallace, a women's studies lecturer at Auckland The other, and less-known half of the story, is that the Pacific has played Especially when you consider how pious and proper we Pacific Islanders have Still, Dr Wallace mounts a persuasive argument in her book Sexual Encounters Because up until then, it had indeed been a world without homosexuals. The Of course, this wouldn't be the first time we've been blamed/credited (take All the time we thought we were the ones being influenced by those devout American anthropologist Margaret Mead didn't help matters when she wrote her Whatever the weaknesses of Margaret Mead's thesis, the same could be said In fact, says Dr Wallace, it was these encounters between European and Her somewhat subversive readings of the accounts of such historic luminaries She argues that these encounters forced ethnographers of the Enlightenment Up till then, homosexuality simply didn't exist. In fact, until the late What was recognised and abominated, and had been since medieval Christian This was later confused with unnatural acts, which ranged even more widely Later Christian authors couldn't agree on what unnatural acts or sodomy The English Reformation Parliament of 1533 then turned that religious As Dr Wallace argues, those attitudes held sway until encounters with the Meanwhile, in the Pacific, the missionaries were doing a sterling job of As for Maori, there's no reason to suppose they were any less sexually She says Maori terms which refer to an intimate companion of the same sex In fact, says Dr Pihama, it's even acknowledged in well-loved legends such Hinemoa, as we all know, was the maiden who was so enamoured of Tutanekai As for defining sexual identity, Dr Wallace says that's a continuing saga. |
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Mon, Jun 21, 2004 2:30 PM
In a number of Native American cultures, a homosexual was seen as one with great enlightenment, as one that understood both genders. |
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Tikiwahine
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Mon, Jun 21, 2004 2:53 PM
I believe I've heard of transsexuals being referred to as "two spirited" |
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Unga Bunga
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Mon, Jun 21, 2004 3:37 PM
Photos taken from Ebay auction. |
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christiki295
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Mon, Jun 21, 2004 5:41 PM
Doesn't Tahiti have a widely accepted group referred to as the "third sex" - men who dress in women's clothing and perform "pink collar" type occupation. [ Edited by: christiki295 on 2004-06-21 17:43 ] |
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Tue, Jun 22, 2004 3:19 AM
and i heard the enlightened ones who undeerstood all three genders also did interior decorating, hair design and were involved in the makeup and fashion industry! (again; not that theres' anything WRONG with that...) "I'm ashamed to say that, but not too ashamed to retract it..." |
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Tue, Jun 22, 2004 8:43 AM
In Samoa they have the "fa'aa fine" who are sons who are either chosen or choose to live their life as a woman. It's pretty normal and you see them in most villages. |
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Tue, Jun 22, 2004 8:50 AM
Lanikai, Is that your stab at humor? I'm sure there are TC members that would find your stereotyping offensive and in poor taste. Why don't you contain your humor to your attempt at pidgin posting. |
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lanikai
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Tue, Jun 22, 2004 9:08 AM
apologies for the stereotyping. |
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Tiki_Bong
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Tue, Jun 22, 2004 9:15 AM
In your post you modified my signature as yours with "I'm ashamed to say that, but not too ashamed to retract it..." I guess you were wrong, eh? |
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Tue, Jun 22, 2004 9:17 AM
yep, been wrong before, will be wrong again... bad attempt at humor. bad, bad lanikai. |
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Tue, Jun 22, 2004 10:09 AM
I was watching Taboo: Sexuality last night. The part about the "third sex" of India, the hijras (eunuchs), are also believed to be endowed with a sort of mystical power to bless or curse, but are not necessarily revered because of it. |
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Tue, Jun 22, 2004 11:59 AM
Are there any gay TC members who found that to be in poor taste? Just curious. |
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Johnny Dollar
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Tue, Jun 22, 2004 2:28 PM
the ways of the third sex world in bangkok, oriental city |
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christiki295
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Wed, Jun 23, 2004 8:52 PM
"How the Pacific Islanders Saved Civilization?" By providing those who live in the so-called civilized urban jungle an opportunity to escape to paradise. |
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Thu, Jun 24, 2004 9:19 AM
It's funny that the more the urbanites romaticize about the allures of primative polynesian living, the more they strive to become like us! Maybe one day we'll meet in the middle? |
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Thu, Jun 24, 2004 10:24 AM
Another original Bongster sexual innuendo. |
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