Tiki ... is it or ain't it ...?

As I search & wonder around looking for tropical treasures for my upcoming tiki room, I started to think ? Is there a "degree" or curve on what is concidered Tiki ? Or is it a black & white thing? But not just a piece as a lamp or mug take for instance.
Music ... ?

Just one example ... Would old school be in anyway inter~twined with the culture...? Ok did they go too deep off into the mainstream?

Anywho, is there a %age on Tiki ...?

Oingo Boingo is not Tiki, it's not even exotic, Dead Man's Party included. Don't be silly.

don't be silly ...? Did you see my user ID...? :D

Hummm ok, on your the reply on O.B. but I still think they would have made a good house band @ the old school Thatch Daddy's.

Now, back to the orginal question what is Tiki ...

I realize that it's your first day as a registered member, but if you don't mind my asking, if you've been lurking for a while, why did you choose to start a brand new thread to introduce yourself instead of joining the Introductions thread?

Here are some places to start in the quest for the answer to your question.

The Un-Tiki Thread
What Tiki Central Is About

Please read the Book of Tiki. If you already had, then you wouldn't need to ask this question.

If all else fails, ask JanetMermaid, she'll tell you.

I apologize if any of this is redundant because if you've been lurking, you know all this already.

Didn't Cap't Cook ask the question "Is this Tiki ?", when he held up an American Indian Totem Pole that ill fated day in Hawaii ? ...

He ended up becoming a meal....

Be warned...TC natives are just as restless. :)

What next...a Jimmy Buffett reference ?

[ Edited by: tikiyaki 2008-05-04 15:37 ]

[ Edited by: tikiyaki 2008-05-04 15:38 ]

Welcome Paddy`O.... The bite of the 'koolkids' can leave a mark !!!!

TAG!

Beware of the....

On 2008-05-04 15:24, Tiki-Kate wrote:
I realize that it's your first day as a registered member, but if you don't mind my asking, if you've been lurking for a while, why did you choose to start a brand new thread to introduce yourself instead of joining the Introductions thread?

Please read the Book of Tiki. If you already had, then you wouldn't need to ask this question.

If all else fails, ask JanetMermaid, she'll tell you.

I apologize if any of this is redundant because if you've been lurking, you know all this already.

Well Ms. Kate. I did introduce myself down ib the greetings thread, I thought that was the proper place to do so.
Hey folks, this rounds on me ....
Paddy O'furniture
Member

Joined: May 04, 2008
Posts: 8
From: Pawleys Island, Florida
Posted: Today; 10:05 am

I've been lurking for awhile and I thought it was finally time to expose myself. I'm a big fan of Surf music & the Tiki culture for years even though it isn't a very strong vibe here in North Florida. I'll be creating my 1st Tiki Bar room starting next month. I've already learned ALOT from you Tiki Freaks & Cats and I hope to learn more. I'll probably ask several lame questions as I venture into the land of of Tiki Culture.

Bottoms up ......................

I meant this introductions thread.

Introductions! New members post here

Sorry if I sounded snarky. Welcome aboard.

On 2008-05-04 15:36, tikiyaki wrote:
Didn't Cap't Cook ask the question "Is this Tiki ?", when he held up an American Indian Totem Pole that ill fated day in Hawaii ? ...
He ended up becoming a meal....

Be warned...TC natives are just as restless. :)

What next...a Jimmy Buffett reference ?

WOW, Tuff crowd ... I figured this joint would have been alittle more laid back...

Who said anything about Buffett? I mentioned O.B. cause of their old sub~culture roots from back in the day. I grew up in 80's with the skate & surf crowd, the scene sorta encompassed O.B. & Joe Jackson and the likes and they seemed to be loosely related to me.

As for my question: "What is Tiki...?" I suppose I was asking What Tiki means to each one of you, I know you can't all have the same answer. I know what kind of vibe I get.

My bad, I guess.

[ Edited by: Paddy O'furniture 2008-05-04 23:47 ]

Hey Paddy,
Welcome to TC. Don't be discouraged. Some TCers have higher standards as to what merits a new thread. But the question you asked is complicated. You'll get one answer from the purists and tiki snobs and a different answer from the casual tiki hobbyists. You'll have to figure out what works for you and your tiki bar. It's a personal space; make it your own! You can play Oingo Boingo or Joe Jackson at your party if you want, but they wouldn't generally be considered Tiki. Browse the Tiki Music section and you'll start to get the idea. This is a great resource for learning about the culture, meeting people, and discovering the history. By all means, read the Book of Tiki (if you can find one - it's like the tiki bible, but by no means as common or cheap as the bible). But the new thread titled "Hey there..." is the kind of thing that's frowned upon, because you should have done that in the new member introduction thread. You'll learn the etiquette soon enough...

I love to watch the Indians play baseball.
But I don't put a tv in The Rusty Key.

I like Falernum. I like beet juice.
I don't blend them together in a drink.

Everything doesn't have to co-exist.

Now who wants to talk about politics?

I think different people have different ideas of what is tiki. My personal theory is that it is tiki if it reflects Polynesian culture or the Americanized version of a fantastical Polynesian tiki paradise. I think it should rely heavily on tiki gods, tropical decor and music, and preferably include rum! lol However, I do think that each individual has a different concept of what tiki is to him or her and of what works in his or her own personal bar or tiki hideaway. I think a pottery or stone or concrete tiki may be a bit less legitimate than a hand carved wooden tiki, but I still like them and definitely consider them tiki, while a friend of mine absolutely refuses the notion that tikis can be made of concrete. Being a Buffet fan, I have no problem playing Buffet while having a mai tai or blue Hawaii ducks the stones being thrown I do not, however, understand the inclusion of and interest in fez hats, but that's just me. If you like it, do it!

sigh

Hi Paddy, never mind the bumpy start. You'll find lots of neat and informative threads here on TC. Start reading and enjoy? Use the search feature and if you can't find the information you're looking for, and don't be afraid to ask sincere questions. I haven't been a TC member that long myself, but I can tell you Paddy, there ARE some really nice people here. Welcome to TC.

MrsHoptiki

Yeah, don't listen to these folks, Paddy.

Oingo Boingo, Joe Jackson, Vincent Price and Irish puns are what Tiki is all about!

i have nothing to add...but i didn't feel right not having my name in a controversial thread such as this.....i'll be going now...thanks.

On 2008-05-04 18:22, Tipsy McStagger wrote:
i have nothing to add...but i didn't feel right not having my name in a controversial thread such as this.....i'll be going now...thanks.

:D

I forgot the Thule Society and Jerry Van Dyke!

They are SO Tiki!

On 2008-05-04 17:13, pablus wrote:
Now who wants to talk about politics?

Nah... no politics. How 'bout religion?

Paddy O'Furniture - If your question is would Oingo Boingo sound cool in the tiki lounge, then yes. And I say yes for two reasons.... 1 - I like them. and 2 - you like them. It is your bar, play and drink and eat what you want.

If you question is would O.B. be tiki, then the answer is no. No matter how much you reach. Almost all of what gets called Tiki around here is Poly-Pop and has a surprising short time-line of existence, from about 1930's to about 1970 (generally, lots of examples outside of that window, but for sake of keeping the conversation simple...)

And like some of the others have said, don't let some of the reply's to your question give you the wrong idea about this place.... we are all o'hana around here. Some of the folks around here have been around long enough to have developed an allergic reaction to your question because they have been asked many times before.

Does any of that actually answer your question?

Or do you want to ask your question again a little more specifically, because I am drinking and forgot what the original question was.....

Welcome Paddy!

There are a few on here who seem to love skewering new members instead of welcoming them. But I say WELCOME!! (And a big poot on those who choose to start out being mean to a new member.)

On 2008-05-04 16:07, VampiressRN wrote:
Beware of the....

I like her!

I am intrigued - what is the "hooter horn"?

Here is an overview for your hootaliscious admirers.....

Brad is the manager of the Bikini A Go-Go, a beachside surf shop that specializes in swimwear and attractive, sex-starved employees. His big-busted sales staff just can't wait to take a break and head into the backroom for some interpersonal inventory. But Brad's love life is locked down in libido Loserville. He is in love with Janet, his "so straight she's perpendicularly prudish" girlfriend, who thinks a hot date on a Saturday night consists of popcorn, bad B-movies on The Late, Late Show, and absolutely no heavy petting. To put it another way, they don't have sex.

But when Brad stumbles across a Tiki idol necklace in a shipment of Hawaiian shirts, his luck starts to change. This mystical medallion of Weyamea gives any woman who puts it on the sudden urge to purge her clothing and endlessly ride the baloney pony. After Brad gives the tropical trinket to his bland-as-beige babe, old Jan turns into a regular horndog, giving her boss the bounty of her body and hoping to hump anything that produces a pulse. Oddly, Brad takes this forward fornication-forcing completely the wrong way—meaning he cowers from sexual congress like an over-extricated eunuch. So when the vile villainess who lost the lusty locket sends her horny bohunk robot out to collect the trippy talisman, the machine man's corporeal programming keeps him busy "interrogating" the Bikini's help. It all ends up in a poolside confrontation between evil and enticement as a lesbian three-way (!!!) indicates the power and the peculiarity that permeates the Curse of the Erotic Tiki.

Curse of the Erotic Tiki. You've got to love that title. No matter if your sensibilities run to breathlessly black-and-white French new wave or certifiable classics from the golden age of Hollywood, such a moldy moniker stirs a great many sensational cinematic sentiments. There's the cheesy camp concept of a "curse" with all its supernatural shuttlecocking. Then there is the vision of the Tiki god, glorious in its squashed-head hilarity. Add in the term "erotic," and all manner of sensual symbols start shooting off in and around your short hairs. The imagination runs wild. The temperature tracks to the sultry. A myriad of mysteries begins to take shape. Why is the Tiki cursed with the idiom of Eros? Is the Tiki itself a steamy screaming Mimi—a zoomed-up version of the Zuni Fetish from Trilogy of Terror (after all, that Karen Black battler has a name just ripe for the ribald)—or does it just inspire genital gesticulation in others? Who exactly falls under its hypnotic, hip-swiveling spell? Does it affect men and women equally, or is this a gender-specific icon that brings out the inner bodacious babe in the local boudoir set? As the queries quiver and quake, a partial clarification is discovered—and Saints be praised—it's gals who get their glands in a gaggle when that naughty little nipper comes in contact with their cleavage. The minute the miniature melds with the mammaries of a madam, self-control is kicked to the curb and it's time to sample some oversized melons. We even learn that a new cinematic device—the Hooter Horn—will be implemented, so that we will nary miss a bare-bodkin moment of the top-and-bottomless bonanza.

So this must mean that Curse of the Erotic Tiki is a tacky, tasty treat, the kind of modern-day lampoon of old-fashioned exploitation that hits all the right wrong notes, right? Well, let's not jump that far ahead in the hyping of this tantalizing title. Actually, Curse of the Erotic Tiki is hardcore pornography shorn of all its XXX antics, a cornucopia of counterfeit copulation that wants to be a fiery festival of firm flesh frisking. And the actors and actresses have all their modern adult dynamics down to a sweet science. They understand the mentality of the average body-action aficionado and pander to those pocket poolers perfectly. A little more aggressive than the pay cable carnality you can experience on Showtime or Cinemax (or MTV for that matter), but far below the reverse cowgirl craziness of most big-name porno, Curse of the Erotic Tiki may be trying to create some manner of satire out of the softcore sex flick. But there is nothing new or novel offered, no humorous insight or clever element exploration. This is a typical '60s-'80s pork product, utilizing a basic clothesline plot (the aforementioned and fretted-over Tiki god) as a wraparound device to the reach-around antics. True, there is a retro constituent to the film, a real feeling of '50s sermonette (a narrator character, always shown in black and white, adds his moralizing admonitions as kind of a galled Greek chorus) mixed with nudie cutie goodness. But when the attempted archetypes from cinema's past (the good girl, the evil villainess) strip down to their bikini lines and bump uglies, the movie transmogrifies into a fairly aggressive groin grabber. The title may merely tantalize, but the goods go gonzo in this overheated perch plucking.

Your reaction to Curse of the Erotic Tiki, then, will be based solely on how well you handle a 90/10 split between booty rooting and cornball plot parts. For every two minutes of clever, comic story, we are witnesses to a twenty-minute stag loop of straight or same-sex proportion. If you like lesbianism (and while that's more or less a rhetorical question, it's always nice to be asked, isn't it?), there are some shockingly steamy Sappho situations here. When the guys get involved, however, the rules of unskilled retreating petering are prevalent. The android boy toy, all muscles and mucus, can fake the friggin' with the best of them. But neither lead load Brad nor Janet's tiny Tom Cruise Jr. boss could sex you up even if they were Color Me Badd. This ersatz Something Weird Video has too much mock monkey business, and not enough rude ridiculousness, on its mind. Curse of the Erotic Tiki takes its boot-knocking far too literally, creating a strange contrast of carnality within a supposedly stupid send-up comedy. The Hooter Horn concept (Yes, whenever a sex scene is about to start, a splendidly weird "a-ooo-ga" style horn announces the action) is cute and does undercut some of the 36 Marilyn Chambers mudflapping of the movie. But frankly, it could have been used from beginning to end.

Director Nicholas Medina (or is it really Fred Olen Ray?) doesn't rely on what made most exploitation films so fine in the first place: the patented pubic-free tease. Those glorious grindhouse classics didn't "expose the goat"—so to speak—when they made their excursions into erotica. They left a little to the imagination as the women (and men) had to contort and distort in order to avoid the cruel claw of censorship. But Curse of the Erotic Tiki lets it all hang out! If that's what you crave, then you will definitely savor this almost funny flavor. But so much more could have been done with this dopey premise besides showcasing rejects from a Digital Sin or Robbie D production.

Retromedia and Image give Curse of the Erotic Tiki a nice little DVD package, light on the bonus material but excellent in its sonic and visual qualities. Presented in a 1.33:1 full frame picture, Tiki contains a lot of bright colors and several acres of frightening flesh tones. The transfer here captures all the keister and kitsch with flair and detail. On the sound side, Tiki is a strange Muzak mystery. The generic music piped in over every so-called sex scene recalls a different genre ('50s ballad, rockabilly skank, calypso cool) as it loops over and over the multiple minutes of mons-handling. Actually, a fun little game can be played as the actors thump and mime. It's really quite simple: listen to the pseudo-melody, think of a song that sounds like it, and simply sing along. As the skin flute is flouted and the hinder gets a grinder, you'll be in Name That Tune heaven recalling those non-public domain hits from yesteryear. And the excellent Dolby Digital Stereo will make the melodic march down memory lane that much more harmonious.

We do get a trailer for Tiki, and it's probably not a good idea to watch it first. It highlights all the major plot elements (including the ending) within its total teaser time limit. Perhaps the best bonus is Fred Olen Ray, that master of B-movie disasters, giving us an intro to the movie and a description of the Hooter Horn's helpful factors. Too bad the movie couldn't have been as clever as this brief, brilliant prologue.

Curse of the Erotic Tiki will be a Viking to those looking for more vice and vicious va-va-va-voom in their cheap sex comedy. But for anyone sent into fits of nostalgia over the evocative title, the only curse you'll discover is the one coming out of your disappointed maw.

Tell the truth Vamp...you wrote the screenplay, didn't you?

Where's Big Bro??

Dam you teko...quite telling my secrets!!! You know you love the Hooter Horn though!!! :D

~ never mind. I meant no disrespect.

To those of you that welcomed me ... a sincere Thank you.
To those of you that offered nothing except barbs and smart remarks ...I also Thank you, you saved me $ 24.00 bucks. I don't believe I will be offering any photos of my tiki room creation as it will most likely not be up to par with the standards of T.C. hardcore Regulars.

I felt that the Tiki Culture is a state mind. An upbeat, friendly, musical~party vibe. That old school stoked feeling from a positive & supportive crowd...but maybe I was wrong. But if I am than so be it, I prefer my mind set over some offered here. I will gladly welcome anyone with interest to my Tiki room with a Sailor Jerry & pineapple juice and a smile.

Paddy - I see you're from Florida; perhaps the only Tiki culture you've experienced is in a Florida tiki bar. Reading through posts here in Tiki Central I've learned that tiki bars in Florida - with some very notable exceptions - are very different things from what we consider Tiki. Florida Tiki bars often don't have actual tikis, and project more of a Jimmy Buffet/tropical/island atmosphere.

Have you been to the Mai Kai? Maybe a trip there will help you to better understand the tiki vibe.

On 2008-05-04 16:30, Paddy O'furniture wrote:

WOW, Tuff crowd ... I figured this joint would have been alittle more laid back...

Tama sez: Its also a widely distributed and varied mix; dont judge TC on the first few Alpha-posters you meet or happen to bump heads with: (I have neither read or care for the who-said-what so dont bother jumping on me..)

Realise that if you are going to get into any sort of discussion regarding 'TIKI' on 'TIKI-CENTRAL' you are going to get a lot of opinion back at ya..! Dont take it too personally.

Quote: "I felt that the Tiki Culture is a state mind. An upbeat, friendly, musical~party vibe.."

You'll find a lot of that here & some riotous humour too, if you give it a chance.

Kia ora! Welcome Paddy - if you're still with us..

What is considered Tiki? Look around, you'll get the feel for what is or isnt. Heaps of info in regards to bar building and decoration, although it already sounds as if you'll be leaning towards the surf/beach type theme as opposed to jungle/volcano end of the spectrum..?

Sit down, order a drink..

T :)

On 2008-05-05 01:28, Koolau wrote:
Paddy - I see you're from Florida; perhaps the only Tiki culture you've experienced is in a Florida tiki bar. Reading through posts here in Tiki Central I've learned that tiki bars in Florida - with some very notable exceptions - are very different things from what we consider Tiki. Florida Tiki bars often don't have actual tikis, and project more of a Jimmy Buffet/tropical/island atmosphere.

Have you been to the Mai Kai? Maybe a trip there will help you to better understand the tiki vibe.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No tiki in our Florida Tiki Bars.. just some good home town 'Meth' for your smokin pleasure..

you'all come down soon you hear !!!!!

For the record beet juice is NOT tiki!

I play Thin Lizzy when the tiki freaks come over.
It confuses them.

If you want to see some laid back knee-jerk reactions, go into Drinks and Food and recommend a Tiki drink recipe that relies on the cheapest possible store-brand white rum, Real-Lime lime juice substitute, Rose's Grenadine, and garnish with a scallion.

This is my first post here, too (and I promise I will introduce myself properly on the intro thread), but I have been lurking here for about three years, have read the Book of Tiki and Tiki Modern, and spent a childhood listening to exotica as my parents embraced the Poly-pop lifestyle in their evenings out in 50's-60's Southern California. I also love Oingo Boingo and think they were brilliant, but I agree that they are not Tiki, and would like to expand on that a little, as I think I understand where Paddy is coming from.

The leader, frontman, and songwriter for Oingo Boingo was Danny Elfman, most famous now for his evocative film scores. Elfman's work is heavily laced with percussion, often making use of primitive, exotic, native instruments from around the world. He spent some time traveling alone in his late teens, spent a lot of time in West Africa, and was enthralled by its music. Oingo Boingo was his "ska band", and the influences on its sound was ska (Jamaica) laced with West African Highlife. Oingo Boingo's music definitely has a primitive, world music, percussion-based sound, and would actually blend with a primitive setting better than just about any other Western pop-rock group I can think of, but it is not "Tiki".

As I understand it, the music of "Tiki" is almost like a film score, in that it helps to create the mood and theme. The theme is sophistication, escape (to an exotic locale) and relaxation, and the music reflects this. Exotica music is lounge style, like mellow jazz. Good for relaxation and conversation. My parents did occasionally dance on their nights out, and their dancing (at least as I saw it!) was formal, like ballroom dancing. If the "natives" danced to primitive music, it was a show performed by staff , entertainment for the patrons, helping to create the mood.

Exotica music is heavily percussion-based, as is Oingo Boingo, and Oingo Boingo's music does sometimes include the shrieks and calls of exotic jungle "creatures", as does some exotica, but they are otherwise very different.

As society and tastes changed in the '50's and '60's to a less formal style, it seemed that the patrons became the natives, caught up in the driving jungle beat. That's the type of setting most of us have grown up with. We are the party.

As others have already mentioned, "Tiki" has a very narrow definition, and deserves to be remembered, studied, and preserved according to that definition. But... IMO, Oingo Boingo's music would be a great choice in a primitive, exotic setting for an upbeat experience that is not "Tiki".

On 2008-05-05 06:03, tikiskip wrote:
For the record beet juice is NOT tiki!

I play Thin Lizzy when the tiki freaks come over.
It confuses them.

Wouldn't confuse me....Live and Dangerous baby...WHOO!!! I'd go over to the HiFi and crank it up, and proceed directly to your album collection and look for the "Red Album" by Grand Funk Railroad...

Just to set the record straight....There is alot of friendly (and not so friendly) ball bustin on here. Unfortunately, sarcasm/humor doesn't always translate on the internet very well, and people take things the wrong way (me included). All in good fun....funny, but at the events, it's all fun and booze tho'.

On 2008-05-05 08:36, tikiyaki wrote:

On 2008-05-05 06:03, tikiskip wrote:
For the record beet juice is NOT tiki!

I play Thin Lizzy when the tiki freaks come over.
It confuses them.

Wouldn't confuse me....Live and Dangerous baby...WHOO!!! I'd go over to the HiFi and crank it up, and proceed directly to your album collection and look for the "Red Album" by Grand Funk Railroad...

Just to set the record straight....There is alot of friendly (and not so friendly) ball bustin on here. Unfortunately, sarcasm/humor doesn't always translate on the internet very well, and people take things the wrong way (me included). All in good fun....funny, but at the events, it's all fun and booze tho'.

Hey Teriyaki!!

Chill, bro!

(lol!!!)

On 2008-05-05 08:29, Pacifilantic wrote:
I also love Oingo Boingo and think they were brilliant, but I agree that they are not Tiki, and would like to expand on that a little, as I think I understand where Paddy is coming from.

The leader, frontman, and songwriter for Oingo Boingo was Danny Elfman, most famous now for his evocative film scores. Elfman's work is heavily laced with percussion, often making use of primitive, exotic, native instruments from around the world. He spent some time traveling alone in his late teens, spent a lot of time in West Africa, and was enthralled by its music. Oingo Boingo was his "ska band", and the influences on its sound was ska (Jamaica) laced with West African Highlife. Oingo Boingo's music definitely has a primitive, world music, percussion-based sound, and would actually blend with a primitive setting better than just about any other Western pop-rock group I can think of, but it is not "Tiki".

As I understand it, the music of "Tiki" is almost like a film score, in that it helps to create the mood and theme. The theme is sophistication, escape (to an exotic locale) and relaxation, and the music reflects this. Exotica music is lounge style, like mellow jazz. Good for relaxation and conversation. My parents did occasionally dance on their nights out, and their dancing (at least as I saw it!) was formal, like ballroom dancing. If the "natives" danced to primitive music, it was a show performed by staff , entertainment for the patrons, helping to create the mood.

Exotica music is heavily percussion-based, as is Oingo Boingo, and Oingo Boingo's music does sometimes include the shrieks and calls of exotic jungle "creatures", as does some exotica, but they are otherwise very different.

As society and tastes changed in the '50's and '60's to a less formal style, it seemed that the patrons became the natives, caught up in the driving jungle beat. That's the type of setting most of us have grown up with. We are the party.

As others have already mentioned, "Tiki" has a very narrow definition, and deserves to be remembered, studied, and preserved according to that definition. But... IMO, Oingo Boingo's music would be a great choice in a primitive, exotic setting for an upbeat experience that is not "Tiki".

Finally, someone gets my question ~ thank you Pacifilantic,
that's exactly my take on OB & their sound. I could not have explained it any better. I also appreciate the matter in which you delivered your explanation on their place in the Tiki culture, it was more along the lines of the response I was hoping for.

On 2008-05-05 08:36, tikiyaki wrote:
[...but at the events, it's all fun and booze tho'.

It's not ALL booze and fun. There are those few hours where you actually try and sleep. You can't really count those hours.

I haven't said anything on this thread til now. (Didn't know it existed til now.) And I don't want to offer any opinions here about what is or isn't tiki because it's all been rehashed SO MANY TIMES. All I want to say is I just don't understand why people who care about tiki deeply and see it as more than just a big care-free islandy party are labelled "rude","snobs","mean-spirited","koolkids","purists" or whatever.

So to those who continually do throw out these labels, are you saying that this board should have no focus at all? It devolves more and more to that each year and those who are trying to keep it together are ridiculed as being [see labels above]. If I had just now discovered Tiki Central, it might not make much of an impression on me. But when I discovered it, it was heavily focused on mid-century Poly Pop and ways to preserve it, celebrate it, live it, etc. THAT'S the Tiki Central that drew me in. Why is it that the people who are trying to keep it on that trajectory are ridiculed? Is there another way they (I) should go about it?

Okay, TikiLale, go for it. It's wide open for ya. Insert your favorite wise-ass comment here: __________________________. :wink:

[ Edited by: GatorRob 2008-05-05 09:39 ]

On 2008-05-05 09:27, Chip and Andy wrote:

On 2008-05-05 08:36, tikiyaki wrote:
[...but at the events, it's all fun and booze tho'.

It's not ALL booze and fun. There are those few hours where you actually try and sleep. You can't really count those hours.

Unless you count 'sleep' as 'fun'. :wink:

On 2008-05-05 09:35, GatorRob wrote:
I haven't said anything on this thread til now. (Didn't know it existed til now.) And I don't want to offer any opinions here about what is or isn't tiki because it's all been rehashed SO MANY TIMES. All I want to say is I just don't understand why people who care about tiki deeply and see it as more than just a big care-free islandy party are labelled "rude","snobs","mean-spirited","koolkids","purists" or whatever.

So to those who continually do throw out these labels, are you saying that this board should have no focus at all? It devolves more and more to that each year and those who are trying to keep it together are ridiculed as being [see labels above]. If I had just now discovered Tiki Central, it might not make much of an impression on me. But when I discovered it, it was heavily focused on mid-century Poly Pop and ways to preserve it, celebrate it, live it, etc. THAT'S the Tiki Central that drew me in. Why is it that the people who are trying to keep it on that trajectory are ridiculed? Is there another way they (I) should go about it?

Okay, TikiLale, go for it. It's wide open for ya. Insert your favorite wise-ass comment here: 'islandy'..that's one for the books... thanks for the open shot. :wink:

[ Edited by: GatorRob 2008-05-05 09:39 ]

Sooooo, the TC Grand Poo-baas frown upon the newbies to ask questions? .... " HEY, newbie you may ask questions after you have read the entire forum & the Tiki book 3 times over until then Zip~it"

And just because I'm not yet as educated as you might be on poly~history, then you assume I view Buffett,flamingo's, pirates & island partys to be Tiki Cultures ???

~ I Thought I asked a legit question about a bands ties to the Tiki Culture... and so far only one other newbie "Pacifilantic" understood my angle.

Jeezzzz, don't get your sarongs in a bunch .

On 2008-05-05 10:18, Paddy O'furniture wrote:
Sooooo, the TC Grand Poo-baas frown upon the newbies to ask questions? .... " HEY, newbie you may ask questions after you have read the entire forum & the Tiki book 3 times over until then Zip~it"

And just because I'm not yet as educated as you might be on poly~history, then you assume I view Buffett,flamingo's, pirates & island partys to be Tiki Cultures ???

~ I Thought I asked a legit question about a bands ties to the Tiki Culture... and so far only one other newbie "Pacifilantic" understood my angle.

Jeezzzz, don't get your sarongs in a bunch .

Did you mean to say that "~ I Thought I asked a legit question about a bands ties to the Tiki Culture... and so far only one other newbie "Pacifilantic" was able to give me the answer that I wanted."

You asked a simple question and got a simple answer. Had I known that the cry babies would come crawling out of the Tapa and support asking questions that are answered by way of the search feature I would have ignored the question.

I'm only a lad I didn't want to do it.

Welcome to Tiki Central!

I'm editing this for spelling babies wrong.

[ Edited by: Bora Boris 2008-05-05 10:35 ]

:roll:

[ Edited by: Paddy O'furniture 2008-05-05 10:48 ]

Semantics is EVERYTHING in language. There are polite and friendly ways to welcome a new person and guide them in the right direction, and there are ways to begin shooting them from both barrels of the "I'm the expert; you're an idiot" gun. Frequently, what happens on this board is the latter. I still have the bullet holes I got.

I was a moderator for a long time on a couple of koi message boards. Yes, it got very tiring responding to the same seeming drivel over and over. But I tried to remember that although I may have seen the same mistakes, mis-assumptions, and downright scary "facts" many times, to that person it was all new. So I felt I had no right to shoot them down for their mistakes, just because 453 other people had made the same mistake. Instead, I welcomed them and then politely started the education and clarification process about good pond and koi habits and procedures.

So, to those who are dedicated to preserving the tiki culture, I say, "Yay!" BUT... please try to remember that your snarky attitude comes from your own frustration with many previous "newbies" making the same mistakes, and should not be taken out on any one newbie.

On 2008-05-05 09:35, GatorRob wrote:
I haven't said anything on this thread til now. (Didn't know it existed til now.) And I don't want to offer any opinions here about what is or isn't tiki because it's all been rehashed SO MANY TIMES. All I want to say is I just don't understand why people who care about tiki deeply and see it as more than just a big care-free islandy party are labelled "rude","snobs","mean-spirited","koolkids","purists" or whatever.

So to those who continually do throw out these labels, are you saying that this board should have no focus at all? It devolves more and more to that each year and those who are trying to keep it together are ridiculed as being [see labels above]. If I had just now discovered Tiki Central, it might not make much of an impression on me. But when I discovered it, it was heavily focused on mid-century Poly Pop and ways to preserve it, celebrate it, live it, etc. THAT'S the Tiki Central that drew me in. Why is it that the people who are trying to keep it on that trajectory are ridiculed? Is there another way they (I) should go about it?

Okay, TikiLale, go for it. It's wide open for ya. Insert your favorite wise-ass comment here: __________________________. :wink:

[ Edited by: GatorRob 2008-05-05 09:39 ]

Hey JanetMermaid, you forgot to post the link to your house.

....but......." I am an expert, godamnit!!!".....LOL( < for clarification of humorous intent)